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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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'Tis proof enough that you do not need religion to live a moral life.
very true, and also....
"If you want to make otherwise good people do terrible things you are going to need religion"
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Religion is not dying anytime soon...
lol
For that matter, neither is astrology, quilt-making, witchcraft or climbing with hex nuts.
The more interesting consideration, imo, is who's doing it? who is of like- mind out there? and who do you want to hook up with, share with, while doing it.
To each their own. But don't sign me up anywhere near Falwell and Liberty University. Nor Evangelical Christians or fundamentalist Muslims of any sect. Thanks but no thanks. Boring.
just slow to take on new forms.
Yeah. Like the dodo bird and passenger pigeon.
Note today's witches in America have now taken on new forms. But is that in any way meaningful to today's reasonably educated millenials? A rhetorical question.
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Julia Galef lays it out...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
https://youtu.be/BRydJ7EvyDw
A+.
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WBraun
climber
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You're signed up to YouTube brainwashing by gross materialistic mental speculators guessing all day.
Same horsesh!t as all those crazy sectarian wannabee Religions .....
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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And now in addition to fundamentalist religion, fructose is against quilt making ?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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And now in addition to fundamentalist religion, fructose is against quilt making ?
LOCK HIM UP!!!!
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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You're funny, Jan.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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"How did I miss this thread?"
The Black Hole meets the Bogey Man.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Werner's Hindu Mysticism is some anti-intellectual religious dribble.
Paul Roehl seems like he was indoctrinated by the perpetrators of the Dark Ages.
Mysticism never turned on a lightbulb.
The beauty of the scientific method is that it requires no belief of leaps of faith.
Everyone, literally everyone, is a disbeliever in many many many gods, mystical beliefs, religious traditions and fancy creation mythologies. Everyone is atheist
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Flip Flop, Fructose, ..really anyone...
because I don't agree with you, you are insane, stupid, and a, repeat often, gross materialist
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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So true, it's not mysticism keeping those light bulbs on.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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The nightmarish tale of what happened to a child who wasn’t vaccinated...
https://www.statnews.com/2019/03/07/nightmarish-tale-tetanus-unvaccinated-child/
"his parents refused to allow the hospital to give him a full course of vaccines to protect him against tetanus. Nor would they allow doctors to vaccinate their son against measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, polio, and a range of other diseases that are dangerous for and can be lethal to young children..."
Of course they refused - this would mean they'd have to acknowledge that they were wrong, that their earlier belief system was crap.
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WBraun
climber
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Your belief system is wrong, crap, and brainwashed too.
Get a life fool, and stop worrying about everyone else.
Get your own life correct first as its a total mess.
People make choices right or wrong, that's free will.
You're NOT God so stop with your phony imitation .....
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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But you said that I'm a god particle. Am I? Or Am'en't I?
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Mar 10, 2019 - 07:25am PT
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Flip Flop: Mysticism never turned on a lightbulb.
This is all that matters. Value is predicated upon doing things. There is no inherent dignity in Man. We are simply machines. Ala Malemute (and HBO Newsroom), moral reason, laws, wars on poverty, caring about neighbors, cultivating artists, aspiring for intelligence, etc. are values that don't exactly fit this model. More things! Less being!
Mysticism may have exposed Man to what he or she is. If people are unclear about that, then instrumentalism and productivity are the paramount values. The rest is just naive romanticism.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Mar 10, 2019 - 07:47am PT
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Excerpt from the last chapter of The Drunkard's Walk: How Randomness Rules Our Lives...
"My mother always warned me not to think I could predict or control the future. She once related the incident that converted her to that belief. It concerned her sister, Sabina, of whom she still often speaks although it has been over sixty-five years since she last saw her. Sabina was seventeen. My mother, who idolized her as younger siblings sometimes do their older siblings, was fifteen. The Nazis had invaded Poland, and my father, from the poor section of town, had joined the underground and, as I said earlier, eventually ended up in Buchenwald. My mother, who didn’t know him then, came from the wealthy part of town and ended up in a forced-labor camp. There she was given the job of nurse’s aide and took care of patients suffering from typhus. Food was scarce, and random death was always near. To help protect my mother from the ever-present dangers, Sabina agreed to a plan. She had a friend who was a member of the Jewish police, a group, generally despised by the inmates, who carried out the Germans’ commands and helped keep order in the camp. Sabina’s friend had offered to marry her—a marriage in name only—so that Sabina might obtain the protections that his position afforded. Sabina, thinking those protections would extend to my mother, agreed. For a while it worked. Then something happened, and the Nazis soured on the Jewish police. They sent a number of officers to the gas chambers, along with their spouses—including Sabina’s husband and Sabina herself. My mother has lived now for many more years without Sabina than she had lived with her, but Sabina’s death still haunts her. My mother worries that when she is gone, there will no longer be any trace that Sabina ever existed. To her this story shows that it is pointless to make plans. I do not agree. I believe it is important to plan, if we do so with our eyes open. But more important, my mother’s experience has taught me that we ought to identify and appreciate the good luck that we have and recognize the random events that contribute to our success. It has taught me, too, to accept the chance events that may cause us grief. Most of all it has taught me to appreciate the absence of bad luck, the absence of events that might have brought us down, and the absence of the disease, war, famine, and accident that have not—or have not yet—befallen us."
-Leonard Mlodinow
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Mar 10, 2019 - 08:48am PT
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Me: You can predict the future.
Postmodern sophisticate: You cannot predict the future.
Me: You cannot predict the future.
Postmodern sophisticate: You can predict the future.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Mar 10, 2019 - 11:52am PT
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Excerpt from The Drunkard's Walk: How Randomness Rules Our Lives...
"I have tried in this book to present the basic concepts of randomness, to illustrate how they apply to human affairs, and to present my view that its effects are largely overlooked in our interpretations of events and in our expectations and decisions. It may come as an epiphany merely to recognize the ubiquitous role of random processes in our lives; the true power of the theory of random processes, however, lies in the fact that once we understand the nature of random processes, we can alter the way we perceive the events that happen around us.
The psychologist David Rosenhan wrote that “once a person is abnormal, all of his other behaviors and characteristics are colored by that label.” The same applies for stardom, for many other labels of success, and for those of failure. We judge people and initiatives by their results, and we expect events to happen for good, understandable reasons. But our clear visions of inevitability are often only illusions. I wrote this book in the belief that we can reorganize our thinking in the face of uncertainty. We can improve our skill at decision making and tame some of the biases that lead us to make poor judgments and poor choices. We can seek to understand people’s qualities or the qualities of a situation quite apart from the results they attain, and we can learn to judge decisions by the spectrum of potential outcomes they might have produced rather than by the particular result that actually occurred."
Leonard Mlodinow
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Example: It's fascinating to consider probability science and "how randomness rules our lives" (along with Mlodinow's anecdotes in randomness in this great book of his) in conjunction with thinking about Honnold's Free Solo and the countless variables in "sample space" he needed to negotiate / work through on the way to his breath-taking achievement.
"We do what we can until our destiny is revealed to us." -Algren
One thing about the modern scientific worldview is that it gives you endless material to meditate on - not everyone's cup of tea, of course, but nonetheless many. And to meditate on - not in the vipassana sense but in the contemplative, introspective, imaginative, creative senses.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Mar 10, 2019 - 02:29pm PT
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" And to meditate on - not in the vipassana sense but in the contemplative, introspective, imaginative, creative senses."
Good point. As MikeL pointed out, playfulness helps, too.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 10, 2019 - 03:18pm PT
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"We do what we can until our destiny is revealed to us." -Algren
The gross materialist's destiny is endless cycle of birth death disease and old age in various material bodies and not all on this planet nor in human bodies.
Endless cycle of birth death disease and old age in various material bodies is NOT the goal.
The gross materialist's scientists waste all their time manipulating and contemplating dead matter all while believing that is the goal.
The gross materialist's scientist misleads all of humanity due to the cluelessness of life itself into more and more material bondage ......
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