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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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I like how Klimmer never answers any questions.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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K-man, do you believe that
Also, do you believe that Bill CLinton ditched his SS detail to get on similar flights in/out of Thailand and other places where Bill had his way with girls?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Curt, some of his remarks were opinions and not factual.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Bob any comment on Bill fondling young Asian minority women? Bill loves minorities.
Didn't happen? Doesn't matter if Bill does it. it's just Bill?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Funny you ask me what I believe, when you show yourself what you believe. What Bill Clinton did as president is innuendo. What I quoted was a law suit.
As far as I am concerned, I wasn't there. But do I believe Trump could do those things?
You mean the man who is said, “Women, you have to treat ‘em like sh#t.”
"You have to treat 'em like sh#t," Trump told friend Philip Johnson, according to New York.
"You'd make a good mafioso," Johnson replied.
"One of the greatest," The Donald assured him.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Right Klimmer. Read this (sorry all for the wall-o-text). Klimmer, you've said you're Jewish. You don't find this disgusting? I do.
Observer News & Politics
Opinion
An Open Letter to Jared Kushner, From One of Your Jewish Employees
By Dana Schwartz • 07/05/16 1:58pm
Dear Mr. Kushner,
My name is Dana Schwartz and I’m an entertainment writer at the Observer, the paper owned by your publishing company. On July 2, as I’m sure you’re aware (and have probably been wringing your hands about for the last three days), your father-in-law Donald Trump tweeted out an image of Hillary Clinton in front of raining money with a six-sided star declaring she’s the “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!”
I responded to the meme, calling out its blatant anti-Semitic imagery because people can play ignorant, blame the corrupt liberal media for trying to “get” Trump, but it takes only a basic knowledge of world history or an understanding of how symbols work to see a wall of cash, a Star of David, and the accusation of corruption and not see the subtext.
But deny or play dumb as you might, when I tweeted out my response, my worst fears were realized: his message, whether purposeful or inadvertent, was met with cheers by those to whom that star’s message was certainly clear. Mr. Trump’s tweet was seen as a winking promise to this nation’s worst and most hateful individuals.
Here are just a tiny sample size of the responses I received: (See link below)
A few hours later, Trump deleted the original image and re-tweeted it out, this time with the star crudely covered by a circle (the tips of the star still visible), and a new hashtag: #AmericaFirst. Forgive me if I condescend in any way or explain what you already know, but I’m sure you’ve been busy lately so just a quick refresher: America First was a movement led primarily by White supremacist Charles Lindbergh advocating against American intervention during World War II. The Anti-Defamation League has previously asked that Trump refrain from the slogan due to its overt anti-Semitic implications.
The corrected tweet, with new hashtags.
The corrected tweet, with new hashtags. Donald Trump (See link below)
He and his campaign deny that the image—which had been found, previous to Trump’s tweet, on a white supremacist internet forum—has any Jewish implications at all. Instead of acknowledging the obvious, he and his campaign used it as an opportunity to undermine the free media in the style of the most dangerous regimes in history, and mock those like me, who had been getting strangers on the Internet telling her to put her head in the oven for the past day and a half.
Here are some of the excuses I’ve seen, both from Trump’s camp and Trump supporters:
“It’s available on Microsoft shapes.” There are a lot of symbols you can make on Microsoft Word, and sometimes symbols SYMBOLIZE ideas, concepts, or groups. A cross for instance. I feel silly explaining this to you. This explanation is so inane that I feel so condescending refuting it to you, ostensibly my boss, that it feels insubordinate.
“It’s a sheriff star.” Because users on the white supremacist forums where this image was found were no doubt implying Hillary is in the pocket of the sheriffs. You know, sheriffs. The group stereotypically associated with greed and money.
“He didn’t make it; he’s too busy to pay attention to everything he tweets out.” This is not an excuse for racism. Trump’s twitter account is seen by millions of people, and he is responsible for the message he’s sending to his supporters. Besides, Trump is running for president. Making mistakes because he wasn’t “paying attention” isn’t an excuse that qualifies him for the highest office in the land in any way.
“It was an accident.” Then where is the apology?
These explanations are so facile, infantile in their blatant disregard for context or logic that I can only imagine them being delivered by someone doing so while grinning and winking.
And then there’s the final explanation, the one most frequently cited by Trump’s most “reasonable” supporters on the Internet:
“Trump has a Jewish son-in-law, and granddaughter: he can’t be anti-Semitic.”
Mr. Kushner, I invite you to look through all of those images in the slideshow above, the vast majority sent in your father-in-law’s name. Right now, this hate is directed to one of your employees, but the message applies equally to your wife and daughter.
You went to Harvard, and hold two graduate degrees. Please do not condescend to me and pretend you don’t understand the imagery of a six-sided star when juxtaposed with money and accusations of financial dishonesty. I’m asking you, not as a “gotcha” journalist or as a liberal but as a human being: how do you allow this? Because, Mr. Kushner, you are allowing this. Your father-in-law’s repeated accidental winks to the white supremacist community is perhaps a savvy political strategy if the neo-Nazis are considered a sizable voting block—I confess, I haven’t done my research on that front. But when you stand silent and smiling in the background, his Jewish son-in-law, you’re giving his most hateful supporters tacit approval. Because maybe Donald Trump isn’t anti-Semitic. To be perfectly honest, I don’t think he is. But I know many of his supporters are, and they believe for whatever reason that Trump is the candidate for them.
Who is being "too sensitive" to the message, me or him?
I can’t abide another defensive blame-shift to the media or to “politically correct culture gone amok.” David Duke, outspoken and explicit white supremacist, anti-Semite, and former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, saw the image your father-in-law tweeted out, and to him the message was quite clear to him. Those aren’t stereotypical “sheriff” hands in the corner.
The worst people in this country saw your father-in-law’s message and took it as they saw fit. And yet Donald Trump in his response chose not to condemn them, the anti-Semites who, by his argument were obviously misinterpreting the image, but the media.
And now, Mr. Kushner, I ask you: What are you going to do about this? Look at those tweets I got again, the ones calling me out for my Jewish last name, insulting my nose, evoking the holocaust, and tell me I’m being too sensitive. Read about the origins of that image and see the type of people it attracted like a flies to human waste and tell me this whole story is just the work of the “dishonest media.” Look at that image and tell me, honestly, that you just saw a “Sheriff’s Star.” I didn’t see a sheriff star, Mr. Kushner, and I’m a smart person. After all, I work for your paper.
Edmund Burke once said, in times that are starting to seem more and more similar: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Well, here I am, and here we are. Both Jewish, both members of the media. And you might choose silence, but I’ve said my piece.
Respectfully,
Dana Schwartz
Article with links here: http://observer.com/2016/07/an-open-letter-to-jared-kushner-from-one-of-your-jewish-employees/
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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You have some factual proof on that Blue??
If true it is disgusting and wrong, just like those republicans getting caught in bathrooms doing lewd acts.
Also kind of disgusting what you said about women on this forum one time.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Prankster wrote: Totally inappropriate press conference by Comely. Once again, Clinton gets worse treatment than anyone else would. A showy FBI press conference like that when charges declined? Weird.
I agree as stated above. Total bullsh#t.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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I'll reiterate that it's usually liberals that grab at desperate strings to dupe the moronic masses. They usually buy it all too. That's why liberals always have to lie to people and distort reality. They have nothing reasonable that sells.
Right on, Bluey. Good old American conservatives would ever attempt that.
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trailridge127
Trad climber
Loveland, CO
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Our precious Hillary is always the victim. So unfair....
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dirtbag
climber
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Read that. Somebody got "bullied" by a candidate?
What the the hell kind of bullshit are we delving into where "bullying" comes into play?
What's really ironic here, is that it's usually liberals who "bully" people rhetorically.
"you can't say that", "that's insensitive, I'm going to file charges".
Yet so easily "offended" by words. I know the game. You f*#king as#@&%es are NOT really offended by words.
Our spineless leadership falls for it everytime though. Until Trump showed up and told you all to go f*#k yourselves!
Oooh! You can't sat that! that's "offensive".
F*#k you!!
Oh ...
So you're ok with a man picking on another man's disability?
And you think this man should be president?
I see.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Doesn't this guy post here?
Beverly Hills accused of driving out homeless man befriended by Larry King, others
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Funny you ask me what I believe, when you show yourself what you believe. What Bill Clinton did as president is innuendo. What I quoted was a law suit.
As far as I am concerned, I wasn't there. But do I believe Trump could do those things?
You mean the man who is said, “Women, you have to treat ‘em like sh#t.”
You people are slime. You distort, twist, and weave your way arounf the bullseye of the truth.
This aversion to being honest and openly frank with your words is very telling.
You and your like are liars, and pervayors of mis-truths. Some would call this the work of the devil, and it may be. I don't know.
What i do know for a fact is that you dwell in dishonesty, Kman. You will do anything to get your way, even if it involves distorting facts.
Your friends work with you in the regard.
I just hope that things don't bite you in the ass. I take that back.
I hope you pay a heavy Karmic price for the dishonesty that you spout. There will be a reckoning for all those that dwell in lies.
I don't really dislike you, but there must be a cost for such illusion.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oh ...
So you're ok with a man picking on another man's disability?
And you think this man should be president?
I see.
Can we be honest here? DO you really think Donald was mocking his dis-ability, or was just referncing a distinguishing characteristic of a particular reporter? Ya know the guy with the "ughh" limp arm.
It wasn't really brilliant, but was it really that bad?
You're digging for stuff, I get that. Keep using the "gimp". I'm sure that's not a winner....
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zBrown
Ice climber
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DISGRACEFUL BRIBE!
"It's a bribe!" yelled Trump, claiming that Lynch may have believed that she'd have four more years on the job if she let Clinton off the hook.
"It's a disgrace!" Trump repeated. "It's a disgrace!"
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Can we be honest here? DO you really think Donald was mocking his dis-ability, or was just referncing a distinguishing characteristic of a particular reporter?
Could you explain the difference to me? Thanks.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"So you're ok with a man picking on another man's disability?
And you think this man should be president?"
Ever seen any other POTUS candidate do anything that even remotely resembled that kind of mockery?
C'mon, blue. Stop the f*#king rationalizing.
'Was it really that bad?'
YES, IT WAS.
And if Hillary had done something remotely similar, you'd be smashing everyone here in the face with it.
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