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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 20, 2010 - 07:04pm PT
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And for blahblah's entertainment, another up-to-date global temperature anomaly graph.
Complementing the GISTEMP, HadCRU3v, NCDC and UAH series shown upthread ....
here's the satellite-derived lower-troposphere series from RSS.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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May 23, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
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Dr F and Ed
Get off the Jonestown Koolaid Climate Change Highway!
Its blindly led you into an intellectual corner where force will be necessary to achieve your final solution.
Global warming, if true, is a good thing.
Some places are always warmer, others cooler, and we've always adapted.
You don't know exactly what will happen, but your links only prove that Warmists will believe anything the jet setting IPCC liars say.
It's been proven that termites emit 10 times more CO2 to the air than human civilization does. There's a worthy target for Clark if you must
do something.
http://www.clarkpest.com/
http://www.iloveco2.org/2009/04/termites-emit-ten-times-more-co2-than.html
So you can not prove GGC is happening without made up proxy temperature
falsifications. What climate trick will you come up with next?
The massive bureaucracy to study GCC may be just the thing to keep you
all busy. We'll be sure to toss your reports into the recycle bin.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 23, 2010 - 04:51pm PT
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What an idiot.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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May 23, 2010 - 05:11pm PT
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Global warming, if true, is a good thing.
He seems to take pride in his idiocy.
I suppose if you do something better than anyone else, it kind of makes sense.
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Brian
climber
California
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May 23, 2010 - 05:12pm PT
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I lost patience with idiots on this thread a long time ago, but in a fit of boredom just clicked on it again.
Thanks to Ed for fighting the good fight here.
CC: Just because you can provide a link does not make it true. Termites were, at one time, thought to be a significant contributor of methane (a potent GHG) not CO2. Further analysis, however, revealed that the methane contributions of termites, while not insignificant, are a fraction of the human contributions of methane.
The willful ignorance of some people, their absolute determination to ignore (physical in this case) reality, will never cease to amaze me.
Brian
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 23, 2010 - 06:23pm PT
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blahblah:
Dr. F, why are you calling "Dr. Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology at Western Washington University and author of more than 150 peer-reviewed papers," a liar?
I didn't see where Dr F called Dr Easterbrook a liar. Can show us the quote or are you making things up again?
But here is what someone else actually did say about Easterbrook recently, after looking closely at one his graphs.
Cooling-gate! Easterbrook fakes his figures, hides the incline
by Gareth on May 21, 2010
Don Easterbrook, the retired geology professor who predicted that the world was headed for decades of global cooling at the recent Heartland climate sceptic conference, appears to have crudely faked one of the key graphs in his presentation in order to reduce modern temperatures and make historical climate look warmer than justified. Looking through Easterbrook’s slides, it seems he has taken a graph of Holocene temperature variations prepared by Global Warming Art (used at Wikipedia), and altered it to fraudulently bolster his case.
What did Easterbrook do? His graph closely resembles this one from Wikipedia. If you overlay the two figures below, they match up exactly, down to details of axis labels, fonts, the light dashed "0" line and the central dark curve.
But Easterbrook's version lacks the most recent values (2004) marked in the original graph above, both at on the right-hand axis and in an inset box. Instead (below), he gives his own baseline he calls "Present day temperatures" about 0.3 degrees C lower than the mid-20th century baseline in the original figure, or 0.7 degrees C lower than the 2004 point in the orignal graph. By coloring everything above his new, much colder "Present day temperature" line in red, Easterbrook makes it look like just about the whole time period was warmer than the present day. Which is false.
Oh, and Easterbrook added an arrow pointing out the cold "Younger Dryas" period, but spelled that name wrong.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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May 23, 2010 - 07:07pm PT
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Good work Chiloe.
Dr. Easterbrook . . . what a moron!!!
I guess that makes blahblah a sub-moron?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 23, 2010 - 07:10pm PT
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The present day temperature here today is "colder than Billy Hell".
It's good to see we've licked Global Warming. I was worried for a while there.
Did you see the Bike Race two days ago? That whole course is covered in snow right now.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 23, 2010 - 07:13pm PT
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I was worried for a while there.
No ya weren't Chaz. Don't you start making things up too.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 23, 2010 - 08:01pm PT
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You're right!
I'd actually like to see a slight rise in temps. Better for avocados.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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May 23, 2010 - 10:01pm PT
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They'll be a lot of starvation if the temperature does not go up
extending the growing seasons and arable cropland.
With 6.5 Billion and growing
mouths to feed you think the warmists would be taking the side of humanity rather than the slope of a line on a graph.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 23, 2010 - 10:55pm PT
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Chief, I got no clue what you're asking here. Is your "truth" something that you imagine I know? That you know? That the "warmists" know but are hiding?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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May 23, 2010 - 11:00pm PT
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Dr. F wrote:
we don't know exactly what will happen, but your links only prove that you will believe anything the liars say
Chiloe--Dr. F's comment quoted above appears to be a reference to Easterbrook, at least that's the way I understand it because Easterbrook's theory is what was linked. If I somehow misunderstood, fine, but I'm not "making anything up."
So I'm trying to fair and non-contentious here, how about you do the same:
Admit that a reasonable amount of global warming is FAR PREFERABLE to the same amount of global cooling. One thing I'm sick of is the global warming crew trying to scare everyone: if there's anything we should be scared of, it would seem to be global cooling.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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May 23, 2010 - 11:21pm PT
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Fact remains that we should be grateful that the temps are possibly rising instead of falling, thus creating a far better growing environment to feed the planet as CC posted.
Oh yes, global warming is part of the second coming, creating a new Eden on earth.
Problem is--as has been demonstrated by all the people saying, "what warming" when their recent weather is cold or wet--climate change is not about a predictable and even rise in temperatures and precipitation.
Agriculture depends on a certain level of predictability as to cold, heat and moisture; so you really need to throw out your simplistic ideas of uniform heating and understand that there is most likely going to be a whole lot of population displacement, war and starvation.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 23, 2010 - 11:34pm PT
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So I'm trying to fair and non-contentious here, how about you do the same:
Blahblah, any time you start believing this about yourself, go back and read a few of your posts. You can start with the first one you addressed to me on this thread.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 23, 2010 - 11:46pm PT
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Far better chances of this NOT occurring if the world heats up 3-5 degs than if it were to cool the same.
That's the truth you thought I was hiding?
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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May 23, 2010 - 11:53pm PT
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Says who..the IPCC and all those that want it to happen in order to prove their side of this issue?
Yeah, the scientists, what have you got but speculation?
Far better chances of this NOT occurring if the world heats up 3-5 degs than if it were to cool the same.
It is warming, not cooling, so what does that have to do with anything. Far better chances of this NOT ocurring if the world heats up 3-5 degs than if the earth were to be hurled into the Oort cloud and drop to 4 deg Kelvin.
If we ponder on the negative outcome, than we shall have a negative future.
Is that the way you've approached rescue situations?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 24, 2010 - 12:00am PT
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But enough about me, and one more word about Easterbrook. He's been on this global cooling thing for a while, persuading just about none of the climate science community because the evidence doesn't support him.
In March of 2009, at the previous Heartland anti-AGW conference, he predicted that
Beginning this year, global cooling will cause crop failures and food shortages.
The 12 months since then have been the warmest 12-month period on record, and 2010 appears on track to become the warmest calendar year.
At this year's Heartland conference, Easterbrook finessed those details with some more graphical tricks, as noticed by Tim Lambert at Deltoid.
F'rinstance, Easterbrook showed this graph to prove things are cooling:
But it's obvious (to Lambert and anyone who knows what regression is) that his trend line doesn't fit the data shown. Using the same RSS dataset, Lambert draws a more honest trend line:
Much less decline, but still it is slanting down. How did Easterbrook do that? Well, by carefully choosing 2002 and 2009 as his end points. He is talking about how wrong the IPCC projections are for 2000-2010, and the actual temperature dataset he's using does in fact cover 2000-2010 (not just 2002-2009). So why didn't Easterbrook use all the data?
Easy answer: because using data that covered the whole period he was talking about would have shown clear warming, with the steepest climb coming since that 2009 prediction Easterbrook made of cooling. Here's the real graph, once more from Lambert:
This sort of nonsense melts like ice cubes in hot sunlight if you bring it to real science conferences or send it in to peer-reviewed journals. That, and not some warmist conspiracy, is why the great majority of climate scientists agree that climate is warming, due mainly to human activities.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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May 24, 2010 - 12:06am PT
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Is that the way you've approached rescue situations?
My point exactly! I approached each and every rescue situ with a positive mindset. Not one that said that the victims are deceased and the outcome will result in a negative manner.
Let's say the evidence shows, based on knowledgeable bystander reports, that the person in need of rescue may have head injuries and a spinal fracture, but you can't know, no one can know the condition of the patient with 100% certainty until you're there, but you're saying you're going to keep a positive attitude and leave all your equipment at home and go out prepared to walk the victim out hand in hand.
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