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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 22, 2014 - 01:40pm PT
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I like you, donnski,
But salon, not so much.
Right wing Christians: fair game!
Right wing Muslims: out of season, sorry. ("It's racist!")
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donnski
Mountain climber
Nanoose Bay, BC
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Dec 22, 2014 - 02:43pm PT
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Sorry, don't understand what you mean.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 22, 2014 - 02:58pm PT
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Don, it's okay, few do, lol!
I'm a religious critic, and like others, I've noted the salon website, while encouraging criticism of fundamentalist Christianity (or, right-wing religious conservatism) balks at same of fundamentalist Islam (or right-wing Islamic conservatism). It's kind of a double standard.
It's probably best to forget it and move on. Love pics of O'Reilly mad though. :)
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 22, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
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He says there's no need for God and instead he'll be/play god and program all you little moist robots to do as he says ......
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 22, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
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Who, O'Reilly? I don't understand.
"Moist robots"? Now I'm really confused...
Let's face it, you're too aethereal for me, WB,
I'm just a simple man.
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donnski
Mountain climber
Nanoose Bay, BC
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Dec 22, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
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I totally agree. Being critical of Islam is not being racist. It is about ideas not a race of people. We need to be able to criticize bad ideas regardless of political correctness.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Dec 22, 2014 - 03:16pm PT
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n psychedelics you can travel all over the place in the subtle material realm.
But there's nothing spiritual about it what so ever .......
Not true Mr duck. I will concede that psychedelics aren't necessary, and it is a crude replacement for TM. But they can and will lift your soul out of the material world. It's a rare thing in my experience, some people seem to resonate more than others.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 22, 2014 - 03:41pm PT
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From psychedelics you come down, temporary and material.
From true spiritual platform all activities have permanent results.
God never falls under illusion for he is the master of the illusion ......
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 22, 2014 - 03:47pm PT
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"Judgement-free Christian Bible?"
i said nothing of "judgement-free".
Every particle in the material universe is under "judgement" every second!
Why would i think anything less for what we do?
the judgment seat of Christ
what do you make out of a sentence like this?
but l'd really rather talk about this,
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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donnski
Mountain climber
Nanoose Bay, BC
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Dec 22, 2014 - 04:18pm PT
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Oh man, WBraun and Blueblocr, you guys are something else - make-believe non-sense!
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Dec 22, 2014 - 04:51pm PT
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How would you know donnski?
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Dec 22, 2014 - 05:05pm PT
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Jgill: No-thingness slips seamlessly from my attention until someone conflates it with the hypothetical void beneath all substance, a notion entertained as energetically by young physicists as was the aether by their predecessors. To which I say: maybe, maybe not. How can you be so certain?
Not sure what you mean by "hypothetical void?" Is the space between protons inside an atom "hypothetical?" What do you imagine these young physicists are "entertaining?" And when you say, "how would you know," how does this differ from asking, "how would you measure same?"
JL
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 22, 2014 - 07:32pm PT
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Duck: From true spiritual platform all activities have permanent results.
“If it ain’t abiding, it ain’t shit” (Jed McKenna)
That said, a psychedelic experience can have a big impact on one’s view of the world. It can open doors. It can generate a certain experience where you realize that your head is in the tiger’s mouth, and it’s too late to turn back. Then there’s no escape (not that there ever was).
:-)
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 22, 2014 - 08:10pm PT
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Knowledge on the other hand is like the footing for a building for which there is no expected end
"My Word is the foundation of the world"
God
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Dec 22, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
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Not sure what you mean by "hypothetical void?" Is the space between protons inside an atom "hypothetical?"
Once again you and I are venturing into levels beyond our pay grade, John. You seem to think that where there is no matter (particles, etc.), there is a void, empty space - nothing - enforced perhaps by your meditative experiences. I contend that down there at quantum levels things are much more complicated and cannot be so easily categorized into form & mass and the absence of such. For example, a quote from the internet about a theory by Wheeler:
"By combining the laws of quantum mechanics and general relativity, it is deduced that in a region the size of the Planck length (10-33 cm.), the vacuum fluctuations are so huge that space as we know it "boils" and becomes a froth of quantum foam"
This "foam" is probably not material, but it is (if it exists) "something" and not "nothing."
I’ve been divorced a couple of times . . .
As have I, and Donini, and some others here, Mike. As Jim said, "Third time (marriage) is a charm!"
;>)
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 22, 2014 - 11:29pm PT
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This "foam" is probably not material, but it is (if it exists) "something" and not "nothing."
That's interesting. I wonder if that theory is the same for the space inside a moist robot and that of say, concrete?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 23, 2014 - 07:04am PT
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Where it works - the quantitative mind...
The World is Not Falling Apart
"An explosion rocks the Syrian city of Kobane during a reported suicide car bombing by the Islamic State, as seen from the Turkey-Syria border, on Oct. 20, 2014. The small picture is very bad, but the big picture of violence around the world is about as good as it’s ever been."
"a quantitative mindset is in fact the morally enlightened one." -Steven Pinker
lol!
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/12/the_world_is_not_falling_apart_the_trend_lines_reveal_an_increasingly_peaceful.html
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Food for thought:
Claim: (1) a quantitative mindset is in fact the morally enlightened one. (2) It treats every human life as having equal value, rather than privileging the people who are closest to us or most photogenic.
Motion: The mindset that "treats every human life as having equal value" is more morally enlightened.
I am not sure that I am FOR this motion. Or AGAINST it.
Context:
This came up recently in a "no free" will discussion. The claim was (and I don't necessarily agree w it in all cases): When you know the facts, you should employ them to override your primal base instincts or intuition when the latter urge a different response. Eg: punishing a drunk driver (or feeling shame as a drunk driver) for hitting a child and breaking her leg.
Case in point:
It's a horrible scenario but Mother has 30 minutes to think about her choice (so there's time to reason beforehand), what she's going to do. There's a burning building ahead, at the entrance she can either turn left and save her only child or turn right and save three children not her own; but she cannot do both.
If she doesn't override her own innate instinct or intuition and saves her own child is she immoral? because she didn't rationally choose to save the three (three greater than one) is she immoral?
I don't think anyone would think her immoral for going with her primal instinct as a mom (and giving more importance, higher priority, to her own child at the expense of three others).
When they're in conflict, when to go w rational thinking and when to go w your gut, it's not always going to yield an unambivalent answer or a consensus (the way some think or encourage others to think). Not in regard to (1) blame and shame, (2) matters of love, (3) taking risks, climbing cliffs, etc... Circumstances are different, people are different. Sometimes you'll want to "roll" more with your feelings in a case of conflict, other times more with your reasoning.
Actually, these kind of analyses of moral dilemmas makes my head hurt.
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re: "morally enlightened" (another problematic term?)
What does this mean? (1) moral (cf: immoral); (2) morally aware (having studied morals, moralities, moral systems, eg in moral philosophy classes)... (1) and (2) very different senses.
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"Don't overthink it, go with your feelings. Beat the sh#t out of him!!"
Anybody seen Gone Girl? lol!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 23, 2014 - 08:04am PT
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^^^^ Lord forgive Fruity for he knows NOT what to do
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