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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Sarin is not a very effective means of self defense. Sarin is not very good for hunting game. Sarin is inherently unsafe even in the hands of law abiding citizens. Even the military will not use sarin. Need I go on?
Have you tried it in self-defense or hunting game?
Guns are inherently unsafe even it the hands of law-abiding citizens.
Military will use it, just haven't yet.
Feel free to go on, but I doubt that you will ever get anywhere, since you don't seem to get it.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Salamanizer, I’m pretty set on a 6.8, but will look into the 6.5 to learn more about the round.
Anyone else on the 6.8 SPC?
Thanks, Dale! Email reply sent.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Just back from an all day shooting trip on the Arizona Strip.
Sunny, 60 degrees, little wind, flat ground for miles. Totally bitchin'.
We stopped off at the WalMart coming back to see about my partner getting her boss some ammo for his new AR, but the shelves are bare!
Looks like history is repeating itself again.
Glad I'm well stocked.
Maybe soon I'll sell off some .45s in Vegas.
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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Gun control laws make as much sense as making laws harder for law abiding citizens to purchase an auto.
Burly Bob
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Cars don't kill people. Women driv,..uh,..er,.. crappy drivers kill people!
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Having a gun makes everyone safer dontcha know. Just ask this guy.
Police: Boy, 7, shot to death at Pa. gun store
(AP) – 1 day ago
MERCER, Pa. (AP) — A man's handgun went off while he was holding it as he got into his truck in the parking lot of a western Pennsylvania gun store Saturday, and the shot killed his 7-year-old son, authorities said.
Joseph V. Loughrey, 44, of Sharpsville, was getting into the truck when the 9 mm handgun discharged, wounding Craig Allen Loughrey in the chest, according to state police. The boy died at the scene at Twigs Reloading Den in East Lackawannock Township, 60 miles north of Pittsburgh.
Investigators said Loughrey told them he didn't realize there was a bullet still in the chamber. "This happens all too often where people think the gun was empty," Lt. Eric Hermick told The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Loughrey was trying to sell two guns at the store — one a scope rifle and the other, the handgun, state police said. The owners told Loughrey the store doesn't buy guns so Loughrey and his son returned to the truck with them. Loughrey put the boy in the passenger seat and loaded the rifle into the truck, state police said. He was attempting to get inside and reached to put the handgun in the center storage console when it fired, they said.
Loughrey was questioned by state police, who said he was cooperative and distraught. The shooting is being investigated as an accident, although Loughrey could face charges, including manslaughter and negligence, Hermick told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
"I know that little kid was everything to him," Mark McLaughlin of Fredonia, a friend and co-worker of Loughrey's at Superior Well Services in Fredonia, told the Tribune-Review.
Messages left for the coroner's office and at a listing in Loughrey's name were not immediately returned.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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My boss has got the 6.8 with a 16.5 barrel, the gun is badass. Ammo is kinda hard to find but same with the 6.5. His is a franklin arms.
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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Dec 10, 2012 - 07:16am PT
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I read that article yesterday, along with several articles of highway fatalities. Nick, your logic isn't.
Burly Bob
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 10, 2012 - 11:22am PT
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I read the article about the 7yr old a few days ago. So sad. It really hammers home the point that no matter who you are eventually you will have an AD. The only thing that keeps that AD from being a tradgedy is constant muzzel control dicipline and luck. Even Navy Seals have AD's.
The average gun owner is far more at risk of some sort of tradgedy than they are likly to use the gun to be a hero and save the day..
Speaking of heros. Sam Eliot kicks Clint's arse any day of the week as a western actor.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 10, 2012 - 11:22am PT
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I watched the game last night, and I don't remember Bob Costas saying anything about the fact that if Dallas dude didn't have such easy access to an automobile, his buddy would still be alive.
I saw a frightening stat recently: 100% of NFL players own cars!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 10, 2012 - 11:28am PT
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Chaz. does the fact that young kids get drunk and kill each other with cars somehow excuse all the gun violence?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 10, 2012 - 12:58pm PT
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Can't speak to all the bullshit in the news. They want to shock and scare you otherwise their ratings go down. I believe that the reason for citizens to own weapons is at it's root to help enforce and support the other amendments and parts of the constitution. Bottom line for me, I trust all of my friends and relatives, hell, I'd extend that to almost all of you, much more than any politician of suspect motives. They are generally sucked into wanting more power, even when they start out with pure motives.
Since I just got a new VEPR-12, I'm feeling pretty good about gun ownership at this time.
Regards
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 10, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
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I own a bunch of different firearms. Even own a Black Rifle with a light on it... I am however aware that owning these guns is a huge responsibility and that for most people the idea of needing them for self defence is a poor fantasy spawned by watching too many action movies & westerns..
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 10, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
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It's not about self defense for me at all. Not about hunting. Not about "self-defense", unless its the Warsaw Ghetto kind of self-defense sometime in the future.
Which explains how I came to be running down the street unarmed at 3 am in only my briefs after a wannabe thief who was caught trying to break into my house. I would like to once again thank the first officer who responded for her restraint in not laughing uncontrollably at my costume when she arrived.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 10, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
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I hear you there... One of the reasons that I have a Black rifle is that the tea party bunch worries me....
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 10, 2012 - 07:35pm PT
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Why does our government waste so much money trying to prevent other countries from possessing nukes?
Our government does not try to prevent all countries from having Nukes. Lots of countries have nukes. We do try to keep countries which appear to have a high likelyhood of behaving badly with them from having nukes.
It's kind of like making it illegal for felons to own guns.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 10, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
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More like we have our cabin on the mountain and now don't want to see any more.
But guns aren't nuclear devices. They are intended to be precision instruments.
And we are trying to actually reduce the number of thermonuclear devices since, like battleships, they have become cumbersome anachronisms.
No fair comparison.
If you want to post news articles about tragedies from gun mishandling I can post 5X as many from the listings in The Armed Citizen where guns, sometimes merely by their presence, have deterred criminals from perpetrating tragedies.
Not to rant about the "liberal media", but why is it that they are all from local papers but when a kid wounds another kid with a gun in a school the network nightly news opens with the story?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 10, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
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You are assuming then that humans are also precision instruments?
No.
I didn't say that.
You are the one assuming.
OK, if you can edit without indication;
There are way too many incompetent drivers out there, but the reality is that there always will be.
Nobody gets out alive.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 10, 2012 - 10:00pm PT
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Mr Kay writes:
"I think if you are looking for analogy then look no further than motor vehicles."
OK
Cars are much more dangerous than guns.
Almost every single person klled by an automobile is killed by complete accident.
Most people killed by guns - whether homicide or suicide - are killed on purpose.
Cars are out of f*#king control!
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