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FROM POWERLINE
The interrogations of KSM (which included waterboarding) and the interrogation of Hassan Ghul (held in "black site" prisons) were key to identifying the courier; the president then authorized military action in a foreign country without going to the United Nations or informing the host government; the military action was unilateral, and we did not consult with our allies; Congress was not informed of the military action; and it increasingly appears that no serious effort was made to treat Osama bin Laden as a criminal (reading him his rights, etc.). The monitoring of Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti's phone call was a result of an extensive global wiretapping system. Furthermore, as Charles Krauthammer notes, the helicopters used in the raid came from Bagram and Jalalabad; if we had withdrawn from Afghanistan on the antiwar Left's timetable, we would have had no bases from which to launch this operation.
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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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SUAP, That's BS. This operation was months in the making and could have gone south a number of different ways (even with Obama making the right decisions)
Bush already proved he wouldn't make the right call by ignoring Bin Laden and sending the Pakistanis to get him in Tora Bora. We can assume he would have done the same this time and perhaps Bin Laden could have "accidentally" slipped away
It's also BS that KSM's waterboarding brought out the courier information. Actually they waterboarded him, asked him about the courier, and he lied and said the courier wasn't active anymore and wasn't important. Another detainee said the same thing and so they assumed those guys were lying and checked him out. You don't need to torture people to get them to tell lies.
Peace
Karl
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Karl:
One question -- why hasnt Obama shut down Gitmo -- one of his biggest campaign promises?
Also -- the Dems refused to vote on a bill that outlawed specifically waterboarding -- why?
Peace to you.
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The Dems -- when they controlled the House, the Senate, and the Prez -- refused to outlaw specifically that most-hated form of interrogation -- waterboarding -- why?
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from instapundit.
Remember -- you may think its your money -- but it is not. It is theirs.
"DEMOCRATS SEE HIGH GAS PRICES as a good occasion for raising taxes on oil companies. The NYT passes along the Democrats’ puzzling PR on the subject. Senator Menendez says: “Big Oil certainly doesn’t need the collective money of taxpayers in this country. This is as good a time as any in terms of pain at the pump and in revenues needed for deficit reduction.” The collective money? Interesting use of the word “collective.” It’s a tell, isn’t it? If anyone has money, they have the people’s collective money. Somehow taking that is supposed to to help people who are feeling “pain at the pump.” It’s hard to see how. But maybe the key phrase is “This is as good a time as any.” It’s always a good time for taxing!"
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GEE -- WHO WOULDA THUNK IT?
AMTRAK TURNS 40…CALLED A ‘MASSIVE FAILURE’ BY ITS FOUNDER:
When the Founding Father of Amtrak calls it a ‘massive failure’ and states that the politicians involved are getting more benefits from it than the passengers and taxpayers, you would hope that someone in the Federal government would respond.
Washington did respond. Their answer to Amtrak’s problems? Spend more money.
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At Reason, Nick Gillespie quips, “Sen. Charles Schumer Proposes to Expand Amtrak’s Already Amazingly Effective ‘No-Ride List’ to Even More People.”
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CHANGE: Jerry Brown Wants To Cut Prison Population by a Fifth.
That should help California's already crappy economy get even better!
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AGAIN.
QUESTION.
WHEN THE DEMS CONTROLLED THE HOUSE, THE SENATE, AND THE PREZ -- DID THEY EVER PASS A BILL TO BAN WATERBOARDING SPECIFICALLY?
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AC -- typical lib -- always ready to silence dissent.
But I thought, according to libs, dissent was the highest form of patriotism!?
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To put more simply:
Has Obama ever been presented with a bill to sign that specifically outlaws waterboarding?
Uhhhh, I don't think so!
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AC -- answer the simple question -- when the Dems controlled the House, Sentate and the Prez (under Obama) -- did they ever present Barry with a bill that specifically bans waterboarding?
Yes.
Or.
No.
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rectorsquid
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WHEN THE DEMS CONTROLLED THE HOUSE, THE SENATE, AND THE PREZ -- DID THEY EVER PASS A BILL TO BAN WATERBOARDING SPECIFICALLY?
If you argued that waterboarding was torture then why would you vote to outlaw it specifically when torture is already illegal? That would send a conflicting message.
It's sort of like writing a law that says that running over a person and killing them with your car is illegal. Doing so would make it look like you were too dumb to know that murder is already illegal with or without a car.
To answer the question; no, there was no need for a bill to outlaw that which is already illegal.
I don't know if that is the reason for them not writing that specific bill but it is the reason that I would never write such a bill.
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PROGRESSIVE POLICIES, WRIT LARGE:
“DEAR GOV. BROWN: WHAT PART OF ECONOMICS 101 DID YOU FAIL?” – “For the seventh year running, California has been ranked the WORST state in which to do business according to a survey by Chief Executive Magazine.”
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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STFAP: This is the Bin Laden thread. There is a politics thread if you want/need to rail on Obama on unrelated issues.
It's obvious you hate him, but pace yourself, you're looking at 5 more years of the dude.
You wrote
One question -- why hasnt Obama shut down Gitmo -- one of his biggest campaign promises?
Turns out everyone (and their congressman) was so afraid of having these ultra-dangerous detainees stateside. Guess the Bin Laden raid proved what crack killers these Top Al Queda guys are
Peace
Karl
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Rector -- oh please.
There was a HUGE disagreement over whether waterboarding constituted torture.
If you wanted to ban out -- ban it.
The Dems had 2 years to ban it -- and they refused to do it.
The big question -- WHY?
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AC.
I shudder at the depth of your responses.
Profanity-laced non sequiters.
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The Dems had 2 years controlling the House, the Senate, and Prez, and they didnt do the following:
1. Repeal Bush tax cuts.
2. Close Gitmo.
3. Ban waterboarding.
4. Repeal the Patriot Act.
5. Close secret prisons overseas.
6. Give a nice comfy civilian trial in NYC to 911 mastermind KSM.
Big question -- why not?
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AC -- wow -- another fine profanity-filled response. Go dude go!
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