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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 27, 2013 - 12:38am PT
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The shift was also due to the work of great gay couples and those who supported them. I'm guessing many people finally realized that loving, caring, committed relationships are a GOOD thing, regardless of equipment being titillated.
And spare me the bullshit about procreation, unless you think infertile people should also be denied marriage rights.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 27, 2013 - 01:53am PT
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I think the prop 8 supporters HAVE disgusted many.
But I think the predominant answer is: Aunt Susan.
The great Harvard researcher Robert Putnam, in this short video, uses this wonderful analogy in religion, but I think also applies to sexual diversity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM4WMjHQN44
Also some religious surprises about America, such as that America is much more religious than Iran.
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Gal
Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
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Jun 27, 2013 - 02:01am PT
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+ 1 Dr. Christ. !!!!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 27, 2013 - 02:13am PT
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Time to step away from the bar.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 27, 2013 - 04:43am PT
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jun 27, 2013 - 05:22am PT
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"Suddenly the Mugwump pushes the boy forward into space, free of his cock. He steadies the boy with hands on the hip bones, reaches up with his stylized hieroglyph hands and snaps the boy's neck. A shudder passes through the boy's body. His penis rises in three great surges pulling his pelvis up, ejaculates immediately.
Green sparks explode behind his eyes. A sweet toothache pain shoots through his neck down the spine to the groin, contracting the body in spasms of delight. His whole body squeezes out through his cock. A final spasm throws a great spurt of sperm across the red screen like a shooting star. The boy falls with soft gutty suction through a maze of penny arcades and dirty pictures.
A sharp turd shoots clean out of his ass. Farts shake his slender body. Skyrockets burst in green clusters across a great river. He hears the faint put-put of a motor boat in jungle twilight .... Under silent wings of the anopheles mosquito.
The Mugwump pulls the boy back onto his cock. The boy squirms, impaled like a speared fish. The Mugwump swings on thc boy's back, his body contracting in fluid waves. Blood flows down the boy's chin from his mouth, half-open, sweet, and sulky in death. The Mugwump falls with a fluid, sated plop..."
gotta love this lifestyle,
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Jun 27, 2013 - 06:14am PT
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and the Constitution hasn't changed any in quite a while.
Wanna bet? Bush and his band of criminals dismantled the constitution with the patriot act...
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Jun 27, 2013 - 06:54am PT
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gotta love this lifestyle,
Please clarify this statement. Are you saying that gay males are inherently psychotic murderers?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 27, 2013 - 08:00am PT
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Dr.Sprock, wtf, are you completely deranged?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jun 27, 2013 - 08:08am PT
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Everyone thank Dr. Sprock for having you all added to an FBI watchlist for kiddie porn.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 27, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
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gotta love this lifestyle,
You mean the lifestyle that spends time reading and posting this stuff?
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jun 27, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
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William Seward Burroughs II
While his fiction above is somehow being held up as an example of American culture, it is fiction, are we to go sifting through American literature to find more horrible text? I am sure we can find plenty. Yet it is far more creative and thought provoking than anything that came from Fox news. Oh and William also said these things, just to give you an idea of who wrote it...
Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
The face of evil is always the face of total need.
How I hate those who are dedicated to producing conformity.
After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say 'I want to see the manager.'
Artists to my mind are the real architects of change, and not the political legislators who implement change after the fact.
A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on.
Silence is only frightening to people who are compulsively verbalizing.
Every man has inside himself a parasitic being who is acting not at all to his advantage.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 27, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
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They did take the easy way out, and I'm ok with that, considering the composition of the court. I'm looking forward to reading the DOMA decision: it sounds like there is some good foundational language for future challenges to gay marriage bans.
Unfortunately, they took an easy way out there, too, by resting their reasoning, essentially, on federalism. The section of DOMA they invalidated was that preventing federal recognition of marital status if the couple in question was not heterosexual. The decision still does not require one state to accept the marital laws of another, nor does it do anything to require, or even encourage, states to change their marital laws. While the practical effects of yesterday's rulings certainly help the cause of gay marriage, they don't do anything to resolve any of the legal issues. What the court giveth, the court may still taketh away without violating stare decisis.
Incidentally, this Evangelical Christian agrees with rSin's statement that "you really have to have a VERY low opinion of marriage to begin with in order to feel its threatened as an institution by allowed homosexuals unions the protection of person and property it extends[.]" I always bristle when I hear people purporting to speak in the name of Christ labeling gay marriage or "the homosexual agenda" [whatever that is] as the greatest threat to marriage. The greatest threat to marriage remains infidelity and divorce, and on that count, nominal Christians do no better than anyone else.
It's hard to see with logs in our eyes.
John
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 27, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
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"the homosexual agenda" [whatever that is]
As far as I've ever been able to tell, the homosexual agenda is to live a normal happy life with the same rights and responsibilities as anyone else.
Like you John, I feel that my own marriage is unchanged from what it was three days ago. It was strong and meaningful then, and will remain so regardless of who marries whom in the future. Unless we mess it up ourselves. The guy across the street marrying his boyfriend changes nothing for us.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 19, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
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And today my state of New Mexico proudly joins other states in allowing same sex marriage !
The New Mexico Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage in the state Thursday, declaring in a ruling that it is unconstitutional to deny a marriage license to gay and lesbian couples.
New Mexico joins 16 states and the District of Columbia in allowing gay marriage.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Dec 19, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
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And today my state of New Mexico proudly joins other states in allowing same sex marriage !
Norton, it's pretty strange to say that the state of New Mexico "proudly" did anything, other than be subject to the fiat of its supreme court.
Are all political entities "proud" when their supreme court issues a ruling?
Was the US proud after the Citizens United decision?
Just man up and say the unelected judges made a controversial ruling that most libs support and most conservative oppose.
It's that simple, there's no "pride" involved at all, unless it's of the "gay pride" variety.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 19, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
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ok blah blah,
you are correct that a non human entity, a state, cannot express emotion like pride
how clever and proper of you to correct me on that
let me rephrase, I myself and only I, am damn proud that a UNANIMOUS state Supreme Court
ruled in favor of same sex marriage
there, feel better now?
christ
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 19, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
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The guy across the street marrying his boyfriend changes nothing for us.
The wife is constantly hoping some of 'them' will move in across the street.
Then, in one fell swoop, we'll be rid of some annoying judgemental religious
pricks* and our property value will likely go up with some tasteful remodeling.
Oh, yeah, and maybe we'll even get invited to some good parties.
*Let the record show, yer honour, that we've non-judgemental and very
pleasant religious types on either side one set of which we actually do
consort with and not just because the wife happens to enjoy a nice pumpkin ale.
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