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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Dec 16, 2014 - 04:19pm PT
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Agreed.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dec 16, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
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The problem with Republicans is they have to run so far to the right during the primary to appeal to the rightwing base voters. Then they try to walk back towards the center in the general election and they sound disingenuous.
That's the problem for both parties. The problem is that the Republican looney bin is even crazier than that of the Demos. Whichever party captures the center wins the presidential election. That's been the fact for at least all of my 63 years.
TO answer Apogee's earlier question, I don't have particularly strong feelings for or against Romney, but his 2012 campaign causes me concern. How could someone seemingly incapable of running a competent campaign run a competent administration?
As for Jeb Bush, I simply haven't thought seriously about the prospect, although today's announcement suggests I'd better. I think Barbara Bush gave the best analysis of the prospect of a Clinton-Bush campaign: Aren't there two other families in America that have someone who wants to be president?
Let me know when you're in Fresno, Apogee. I'd be happy to spring for a round myself.
John
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 16, 2014 - 09:09pm PT
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I can't remember when I last wanted to complement those recently posting on this thread for their posts.
Thank you gentlemen!
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WBraun
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Dec 16, 2014 - 11:13pm PT
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As usual The politards here are just mumbling their usual same nothing drool.
All while the real shell shock events and news are coming out from the intel groups.
The poltarded masses are always light years behind the real truths, if ever even at all ........
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 17, 2014 - 06:51am PT
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Business as usual with Hillary but at least the common man/woman would get a bone thrown to them once in a while.
Seems we are only going to get a leader like FDR once in a couple hundred years.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Dec 17, 2014 - 07:52am PT
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The state of the nation is so much better than the doom & gloomers say it is. Look around. No need to take a step back into the dark days of the past (2000 - 2008).
We need a skilled politician, not a saint.
Politics is dirty business.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 17, 2014 - 08:02am PT
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A saint one can trust and a politician one can never ever trust.
Thus one can never ever trust you, and since it's a dirty business you need to clean up, as you're very dirty .....
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 17, 2014 - 08:41am PT
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Yer right Crankster. I voted for Obama in the primary and general election in 2008. I never bought the "transformative figure" hype. In 2009 it was apparent the right wing was going to do everything it could to bring down his presidency. I think Hillary would have told those mofos right then to go choke on a gorilla schlong, and part of me wished she had been elected because we needed a fighter. Obama has only been willing to do that belatedly, in the last year or so.
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Reeotch
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4 Corners Area
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Dec 17, 2014 - 08:43am PT
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So, there's a real possibility that we will have a Bush vs. Clinton election. Boy, if that isn't enough to get you to open your eyes . . .
There's no hope . . .
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Dec 17, 2014 - 08:56am PT
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Jeb Bush is too reasonable, too moderate, too intelligent to survive the Repub Primaries
and get the nomination.
"Winning" the Presidency is not the goal, the GOP gave that idea up long ago when it allowed its rabid base voters to control their Primaries, in addition to dong all the right
things to piss off both women and anyone not white.
Purity may make them feel righteous and good about themselves, but it does not win Presidential elections.
The GOP will have their opportunity to show the country they can actually pass legislation
that will survive Democratic filibustering and the President's vetoes for the next 2 years.
They have already signaled great difficulty with McConnell saying his first goal is to have
the Senate pass legislation for the Keystone Pipeline.
It may sound good to their base just like voting against women's issues and wasting millions on countless votes to repeal the ACA, but it ain't going no where
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 17, 2014 - 10:44am PT
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The Cuba thing has the opportunity to change parts of the equation, as well.
Rubio is against. Let's see what Jeb says.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 17, 2014 - 10:48am PT
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You're a reasonable man, Ken. Thanks for considering my request.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 17, 2014 - 03:40pm PT
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Kudos to President Obama for ending a pointless, half century long standoff with Cuba.
Oh I forgot. Barry Hussein is a liar, race baiter, and angry black man.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Dec 17, 2014 - 03:40pm PT
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Meanwhile, the doom & gloomers sound more ridiculous every day.
The Dow and S&P 500 had their best days of 2014. The Dow surged 288 points.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Dec 17, 2014 - 04:06pm PT
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Financial Market Manipulation Is The New Trend: Can It Continue?
Financial Imperialists Attack Russia - Paul Craig Roberts
A dangerous new trend is the successful manipulation of the financial markets by the Federal Reserve, other central banks, private banks, and the US Treasury. The Federal Reserve reduced real interest rates on US government debt obligations first to zero and then pushed real interest rates into negative territory. Today the government charges you for the privilege of purchasing its bonds.
People pay to park their money in Treasury debt obligations, because they do not trust the banks and they know that the government can print the money to pay off the bonds. Today Treasury bond investors pay a fee in order to guarantee that they will receive the nominal face value (minus the fee) of their investment in government debt instruments.
The fee is paid in a premium, which raises the cost of the debt instrument above its face value and is paid again in accepting a negative rate of return, as the interest rate is less than the inflation rate.
Think about this for a minute. Allegedly the US is experiencing economic recovery. Normally with rising economic activity interest rates rise as consumers and investors bid for credit. But not in this “recovery.”
Normally an economic recovery produces rising consumer spending, rising profits, and more investment. But what we experience is flat and declining consumer spending as jobs are offshored and retail stores close. Profits result from labor cost savings from employee layoffs.
The stock market is high because corporations are the biggest purchases of stock. Buying back their own stock supports or raises the share price, enabling executives and boards to sell their shares or cash in their options at a profitable price. The cash that Quantitative Easing has given to the mega-banks leaves ample room for speculating in stocks, thus pushing up the price despite the absence of fundamentals that would support a rising stock market.
In other words, in America today there are no free financial markets. The markets are rigged by the Federal Reserve’s Quantitative Easing, by gold price manipulation, by the Treasury’s Plunge Protection Team and Exchange Stabilization Fund, and by the big private banks.
Allegedly, QE is over, but it is not. The Fed intends to roll over the interest and principle from its bloated $4.5 trillion bond portfolio into purchases of more bonds, and the banks intend to fill in the gaps by using the $2.6 trillion in their cash on deposit with the Fed to purchase bonds. QE has morphed, not ended. The money the Fed paid the banks for bonds will now be used by the banks to support the bond price by purchasing bonds.
Normally when massive amounts of debt and money are created the currency collapses, but the dollar has been strengthening. The dollar gains strength from the
rigging of the gold price in the futures market. The Federal Reserve’s agents, the bullion banks, print paper futures contracts representing many tonnes of gold and dump them them into the market during periods of light or nonexistent trading. This drives down the gold price despite rising demand for the physical metal. This manipulation is done in order to counteract the effect of the expansion of money and debt on the dollar’s exchange value. A declining dollar price of gold makes the dollar look strong.
The dollar also gains the appearance of strength from debt monetization by the Bank of Japan and the European Central Bank. The Bank of Japan’s Quantitative Easing program is even larger than the Fed’s. Even Switzerland is rigging the price of the Swiss franc. Since all currencies are inflating, the dollar does not decline in exchange value.
As Japan is Washington’s vassal, it is conceivable that some of the money being printed by the Bank of Japan will be used to purchase US Treasuries, thus taking the place along with purchases by the large US banks of the Fed’s QE.
The large private US and UK banks are also manipulating markets hand over fist. Remember the scandal over the banks fixing the LIBOR rate (the London Interbank Borrowing Rate) and the opening gold price on the London exchange. Now the banks have been caught rigging currency markets with algorithms developed to manipulate foreign exchange markets.
When the banks get caught in felonies, they avoid prosecution by paying a fine. You try doing that.
The government even manipulates economic statistics in order to paint a rosy economic picture that sustains economic confidence. GDP growth is exaggerated by understating inflation. High unemployment is swept under the table by not counting discouraged workers as unemployed. We are told we are enjoying economic recovery and have an improving housing market. Yet the facts are that almost half of 25 year old Americans have been forced to return to live with their parents, and 30% of 30 year olds are back with their parents. Since 2006 the home ownership rate of 30 year old Americans has collapsed.
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The repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act during the Clinton regime allowed the big banks to gamble with their depositors’ money. The Dodd-Frank Act tried to stop some of this by requiring the banks-turned-gambling-casinos to carry on their gambling in subsidiaries with no access to deposits in the depository institution. If the banks gamble with depositors money, the banks’ losses are covered by FDIC, and in the case of bank failure, bail-in provisions could give the banks access to depositors’ funds. With the banks still protected by being “too big to fail,” whether Dodd-Frank would succeed in protecting depositors when a subsidiary’s failure pulls down the entire bank is unclear.
The sharp practices in which banks engage today are risky. Why gamble with their own money if they can gamble with depositors’ money. The banks led by Citigroup have lobbied hard to overturn the provision in Dodd-Frank that puts depositors’ money out of their reach as backup for certain types of troubled financial instruments, with apparently only Senator Elizabeth Warren and a few others opposing them. Senator Warren is outgunned as Citigroup controls the US Treasury and the Federal Reserve.
The falling oil price has brought concern that oil derivatives are in jeopardy. Citigroup has a provision in the omnibus appropriations bill that shifts the liability for Citigroup’s credit default swaps to depositors and taxpayers. It was only six years ago that Citigroup was bailed out to the tune of a half trillion dollars. Already Citigroup is back for more while nothing whatsoever is done to bail the American people out of their hardships caused by Citigroup and the other financial gangsters.
What we are experiencing is not a repeat of the past. The ability or, rather, the audacity of the US government itself to manipulate the major financial markets is new. Can this new trend continue? The government is supposed to be the enforcer of laws against market manipulation but is itself manipulating the markets.
Governments and economists take their hats off to free markets. Yet, the markets are rigged, not free. How long can stocks stay up in a lackluster or declining economy? How long can bonds pay negative real interest rates when debt and money are rising. How long can bullion prices be manipulated down when the world’s demand for gold exceeds the annual production?
For as long as governments and banks can rig the markets.
The manipulations are dangerous. Manipulations blow a bigger bubble economy, and manipulations are now being used by Washington as an act of war by driving down the exchange value of the Russian ruble.
If every time the stock market tries to correct and adjust to the real economic situation, the plunge protection team or some government “stabilization” entity stops the correction by purchasing S&P futures, unrealistic values are perpetuated.
The price of gold is not determined in the physical market but in the futures market where contracts are settled in cash. If every time the demand for gold pushes up the price, the Federal Reserve or its bullion bank agents dump massive amounts of uncovered futures contracts in the futures market and drive down the price of gold, the result is to subsidize the gold purchases of Russia, China, and India. The artificially low gold price also artificially inflates the value of the US dollar.
The Federal Reserve’s manipulation of the bond market has driven bond prices so high that purchasers receive a zero or negative return on their investment. At the present time fear of the safety of bank deposits makes people willing to pay a fee in order to have the protection of the government’s ability to print money in order to redeem its bonds. A number of events could end the tolerance of zero or negative real interest rates. The Federal Reserve’s policy has the bond market positioned for collapse.
The US government, perhaps surprised at the ease at which all financial markets can be rigged, is now rigging, or permitting large hedge funds and perhaps George Soros, to drive down the exchange value of the Russian ruble by massive short-selling in the currency market. On December 15 the ruble was driven down 19%.
Just as there is no economic reason for the price of gold to decline in the futures market when the demand for physical gold is rising, there is no economic reason for the ruble to suddenly loose much of its exchange value. Unlike the US, which has a massive trade deficit, Russia has a trade surplus. Unlike the US economy, the Russian economy has not been offshored. Russia has just completed large energy and trade deals with China, Turkey, and India.
If economic forces were determining outcomes, it would be the dollar that is losing exchange value, not the ruble.
The illegal economic sanctions that Washington has decreed on Russia appear to be doing more harm to Europe and US energy companies than to Russia. The impact on
Russia of the American attack on the ruble is unclear, as the suppression of the ruble’s value is artificial.
There is a difference between economic factors causing foreign investors to withdraw their capital from a country, thereby causing the currency to lose value, and manipulation of a currency’s value by heavy short-selling in the currency market. The latter can cause the former also to occur. But the outcome for Russia can be positive.
No country dependent on foreign capital is sovereign. A country dependent on foreign capital, especially from enemies seeking to subvert the economy, is subject to destabilizing currency and economic swings. Russia should self-finance. If Russia needs foreign capital, Russia should turn to its ally China. China has a stake in Russia’s strength as part of China’s protection from US aggression, whether economic or military.
The American attack on the ruble is also teaching sovereign governments that are not US vassals the extreme cost of allowing their currencies to trade in currency markets dominated by the US. China should think twice before it allows full convertibility of its currency. Of course, the Chinese have a lot of dollar assets with which to defend their currency from attack, and the sale of the assets and use of the dollar proceeds to support the yuan could knock down the dollar’s exchange value and US bond prices and cause US interest rates and inflation to rise. Still, considering the gangster nature of financial markets in which the US is the heavy player, a country that permits free trading of its currency sets itself up for trouble.
The greatest harm that is being done to the Russian economy is not due to sanctions and the US attack on the ruble. The greatest harm is being done by Russia’s neoliberal economists.
Neoliberal economics is not merely incorrect. It is an ideology that fosters US economic imperialism. By following neoliberal prescriptions, Russian economists are helping Washington’s attack on the Russian economy.
Apparently, Putin has been sold, along with his internal enemies, the Atlanticist integrationists, on “free trade globalism.” Globalism destroys the sovereignty of every country except the world reserve currency country that controls the system.
As Michael Hudson has shown, neoliberal economics is “junk economics.” But it is also a tool of American financial imperialism, and this makes neoliberal Russian economists tools of American imperialism.
The remaining sovereign countries, which excludes all of Europe, are slowly learning that Western economic institutions are deceptive and that placing trust in them is a threat to national sovereignty.
Washington intends to subvert Russia and to turn Russia into a vassal state like Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Australia, the UK and Ukraine. If Russia is to survive, Putin must protect Russia from Western economic institutions and Western trained economists.
It is too risky for the US to take on Russia militarily. Instead, Washington is using its unique symbiotic relationship with Western financial institutions to attack an incautious Russia that foolishly opened herself to Western financial predation.
Note: The winter issue of Gerald Celente’s Trends Journal identifies financial market manipulation as a Top Trend for 2015.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 17, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
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The only guy that can see what's really going is Tom Cochrane.
The rest of these loon plitarded fools here waste all their time talking about their loon politarded useless mainstream bullsh!t .....
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 17, 2014 - 09:27pm PT
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Wa Post:
More than a decade ago, polls began showing a tilt in public sentiment toward normalizing ties with the island 90 miles from the tip of Key West, Fla. In 2009, a Washington Post-ABC News survey found that two-thirds of Americans supported restoring diplomatic relations with Cuba, while only 27 percent opposed doing so.
The old ideological and economic battle lines have also been fading on the ground. Even as a trade embargo has remained in place, nearly 600,000 U.S. travelers went to Cuba last year — the majority of them Cuban Americans. Business interests have pushed for more openness, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce pledged its support for Obama’s decision.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 17, 2014 - 10:00pm PT
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Normalizing our relations with Cuba is a major win for us, that will likely lead to their government becoming more ---------democratic.
Looks like I won't have to sneak their superior, cheap, & tasty Cuban Rum back from visits to neighboring islands anymore, either.
There will be some backlash from competing rum & sugar producers that U.S. taxpayers have been subsidizing, and from some (duh) clueless Republican conservatives.
Anyone with a clue, will be in favor of this forward move.
Of course, only a liberal Democrat would ever pander to a Communist Country by normalizing relations and ending boycots.
(Anyone else remember Nixon normalizing relations with China?)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 17, 2014 - 11:57pm PT
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Florida International University, which annually polls Cuban Americans, found this year that 68 percent favor diplomatic relations with Cuba. Only 41 percent of those 65 and older favor normalization, while 88 percent between the ages of 18 and 29 do.
Before appearing in the Senate TV studio, Rubio granted an interview to Fox News in which he said that “Barack Obama is the worst negotiator that we’ve had as president since at least Jimmy Carter.” That would be the Jimmy Carter who negotiated the still-successful Camp David accords.
But Rubio had more trouble when The Washington Post’s Ed O’Keefe asked the Catholic lawmaker what he would say to Pope Francis, who intervened to encourage negotiations and to receive delegations from the two countries at the Vatican. “My understanding is that the influence that His Holiness had was on the release of [American Alan] Gross, which I’ve not criticized.”
A statement from the Vatican suggested its interest was broader than that, and the pope offered his “warm congratulations for the historic decision taken by the Governments of the United States of America and Cuba to establish diplomatic relations.”
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