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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 23, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
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You are keeping it alive Hedge, you're still keeping it alive... the Hedge tool needs to keep it alive...
I wonder:
If I buy an American computer or a camera - Is there now surveillance-enhancing remedies installed in the hardware and software? Are the devices prepared for surveillance? If so: Is it acceptable that companies like Microsoft and Apple are selling spying-on-their-customer-devices to their customers without the customers own knowledge?
If so - I want the not surveillance-enhanced computers to be properly marked to know what I buy. I had planned to buy Microsoft Surface Pro - the plans are now frozen until I know more...
Who are taking care of our interests as customers when Corporations like Apple and Microsoft are selling us out?
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 23, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
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Its a good business opportunity for somebody, Marlow. Even if Americans go along with this, why should people in other countries? All communications from South America, internet and phone, go through the US, including from Venezuela, Ecuador, Argentina, etc. How would you like to have your emails read and stored by a foreign govt? Latin Americans may have little choice now, but the Germans are reacting.
My website got taken down by a virus a couple months back, and I had to delete it, about 5000 files. I'm going to rebuild it with a company called xmission.com, just because they claim to not cooperate with FBI administrative subbpeonas etc. Not sure how long they can survive taking on the man, but they'll get my business just for trying.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Jul 23, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
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“Freedom of expression” yes we still have it in just a different form.
Secrets, lies and fabrications now coming to light or will they.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/the-nsa-files
Section to the right “on World News”
“House forces vote on amendment that would limit NSA bulk surveillance”
Its outcome is difficult to predict. The vote by itself will not restrict the surveillance, it would simply include Amash's amendment in the annual Defense appropriations bill, which the House is considering this week; the Senate must also approve the bill before it goes to President Obama's desk. There is deep, bipartisan support for the domestic phone-records collection in the House intelligence committee and deep, bipartisan opposition for it in the House judiciary committee.
Yet Wyden, one of the leading Senate critics of the NSA's bulk domestic surveillance, called it "unquestionably good" that Congress was openly debating the extent of the collection of Americans' phone records.
"It is another step, as I've outlined, in the march to a real debate,"
Wyden said during a speech at the Center for American Progress, a thinktank aligned with the Obama administration. "We wouldn't have had that seven, eight weeks ago."
Wyden described the bulk surveillance of Americans' phone records as a "human relationship database," and described a "culture of misinformation" around it from government officials as a threat to American democracy, warning that "unless we seize this unique moment" to weaken both, "we will all live to regret it."
"The combination of increasingly advanced technology with a breakdown in the checks and balances that limit government action could lead us to a surveillance state that cannot be reversed," Wyden said.
Wyden, in a wide-ranging speech, reiterated a warning that the authorities government officials believe themselves to have under Section 215 of the Patriot Act might also allow the NSA or FBI to retain bulk medical records, gun purchase records, financial transactions, credit card data and more. "Intelligence officials have told the press that they currently have the legal authority to collect Americans' location information in bulk," he noted
Wyden assailed administration and intelligence officials for describing their surveillance as limited in public remarks while secretly briefing legislators about their broad scope.
"The public was not just kept in the dark about the Patriot Act and other secret authorities," Wyden said. "The public was actively misled."
As for all those people who bought guns, guns and more guns and as for thousand boxes of ammo good luck.
Sure happy I used cash for my transactions; when they persisted for asking for names for certain transactions I did not hesitate; the day before just took a name in the phone book and memorized the phone number. They would ask “what is your telephone #” you gave the memorized one from the phone book and they would ask are you Mr. Smith, Yes that's me and then they would say Thank you Mr. Smith, have a nice day.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jul 26, 2013 - 09:21am PT
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From Foreign Policy regarding the NSA being curbed NOT, Titled: "How Nancy Pelosi Saved the NSA Surveillance Program
Posted By John Hudson Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 6:39 PM"
"..Pelosi had a big effect on more middle-of-the road hawkish Democrats who didn't want to be identified with a bunch of lefties [voting for the amendment]," said the aide. "As for the Alexander briefings: Did they hurt? No, but that was not the central force, at least among House Democrats. Nancy Pelosi's political power far outshines that of Keith Alexander's......"
Welcome to surveillance city, now you Californians know whom to thank.
From:
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/25/how_nancy_pelosi_saved_the_nsa_surveillance_program
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 26, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
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I would have preferred to see the Amash amendment passed, but what hasn't been covered at all is that this amendment DID pass by a 409-12 vote.
None of funds made available by this Act may be used by the National Security Agency to–
(1) conduct an acquisition pursuant to section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 for the purpose of targeting a United States person; or
(2) acquire, monitor, or store the contents (as such term is defined in section 2510(8) of title 18, United States Code) of any electronic communication of a United States person from a provider of electronic communication services to the public pursuant to section 501 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Jul 26, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57595529-38/feds-tell-web-firms-to-turn-over-user-account-passwords/
Hahahaha, the usual TGT uninformed gibberish. The very first reader comment:
"Next time you write an article about something like this, contact a CS... approve that. Do your research next time. "
The article seems conflicted with itself because it describes the feds asking for passwords, algorithms, and encryption keys. It then talks about hash values and how the original password is not available.
With a hash value, it is possible to get a list of almost all passwords that could generate the hash value. Then a brute force attack (trying every possible password) can be done using just the set of passwords that generate the given hash value. It makes a brute force type of attack very easy. If the feds have an encrypted hard drive or email, as well as the hash value and algorithm that generated it, they can get to the data in a very short time. Online accounts are different because there is a lot of time spend in transferring the data over the internet. Servers often add a big delay for any user who tried to log in with a bad password more than a few times. But the feds can go to the servers directly to get your data.
Regardless, it is disturbing that the government is asking for this type of thing without warrants. Isn't that the issue that we are discussing; the problem of the feds getting information about people who are not the target of any investigation and/or without a warrant?
Dave
P.S. Don't bother with capital letters and punctuation. Create passwords that are extremely long instead. Using "horsecowchickensheepmonkeypassword" for a password is probably way better than using "%gGth!!0a" for a password. Sometimes size does matter.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jul 26, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
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How's airport life going for old Paul Revere anyway?
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 26, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
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acquire, monitor, or store the contents (as such term is defined in section 2510(8) of title 18, United States Code) of any electronic communication of a United States person
TGT, there must be some trick to this. It's hard to believe its true and not a single news reporter is interested. As I understand it, the way NSA works is to collect everything they can, 100%. The restrictions come into play when they try to access the information. I'm not sure its technically possible to sort out the info while they collect it. Although, maybe it's just not been a priority to devise a system that does that.
By the way, I've been a human rights/civil rights activist for a long time, pretty well networked with others, and am amazed at what I find on a rock climbing bulletin board that no one else seeems to know about. I've taken quite a few things from this thread and distributed them by facebook. I actually come to the supertopo website to read rock climbing stories.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 26, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
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This article claims it is a trick. It's way over my head, don't ask me. It's called the Nugent Amendment. It's not actually named after Ted.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Jul 26, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
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Someone had a good (or maybe bad) suggestion to counter them.
Bury the aholes in data with scripts running on your computer and smart phone that make constant random web searches and phone calls 24/7/365.
Let them sort that and try to profile real activity.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 26, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
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Here's why.
Some theorists such as John Robb and Daniel Suarez speculate that in the near future every person in the world will be assigned a number. It will be like a credit score that the US government keeps track of, but in this case it will be a terror score. Hopefully you will at least start with a zero score in this new paradigm…
As a person’s electronic signature begins to cross certain trip wires, their terror score will increase. Hanging out on Jihad websites: 5 points. E-mailing a radical sheik in Yemen: 10 points. Buying large quantities of chemical fertilizer at home depot: 15 points. Once your terror score reaches a certain threshold, you will then be targeted for assassination. This process will be completely automated.
It gets better though because what we see today in Pakistan with the CIA’s drone program is just the tip of the iceberg. In the future, the NSA will be even more intrusive and pervasive in its surveillance. Unblinking Intelligence, Surveillance, Recon (ISR) platforms such as blimps will hover above target areas for long stretches of time. Eventually, some long duration platform may be running ISR over nearly the entire world. As individuals meet the threshold, a bomb gets dropped on them. One day the actually killing will shift from primitive Predator type drones to a orbital weapons platform, probably a satellite network equipped with high powered lasers.
This is how you control a world wide insurgency, and this is how the elites of the world maintain the privileges and positions to which they are accustomed.
http://sofrep.com/23723/the-future-of-counter-terrorism-threshold-strikes/
Then the score could also be extended to political obeisance.
The perfection of of ward machine politics.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 26, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
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If only there was some way we could shape the laws to allow executing conservatives... \
"Progressive"= closeted fascist
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 27, 2013 - 12:59am PT
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None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.
The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies.
They feed them on falsehoods till wrong looks like right in their eyes.
-Johann von Goethe
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Jul 27, 2013 - 11:10am PT
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"Progressive"= closeted fascist
Ah, the old "if you don't tolerate fascists, you must be a fascist" nonsense.
Curt
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command error
Trad climber
Colorado
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Jul 27, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
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NSA did record all of Anthony Weiner's phone sex calls?
Last week the White House requested and was given access to the full audio recording files sighting expanded Patriot Act powers?
There may be up to 100 sexting calls in this particular file dated between 2010 and 2013 but is unconfirmed?
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Aids would not comment when asked if Obama listened to some of the recordings for national security reasons? The ex New York congressmans premature orgasms should not pose a security threat but parallel [12] investigations are ongoing by many concerned parties at the spy agency and the WH ?
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