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Hoser

climber

vancouver

Jun 17, 2012 - 11:55pm PT

I wouldn't be willing to trade away access and precedents for patience and possible best case scenarios, personally.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jun 18, 2012 - 12:16am PT

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/explore/parkpgs/porteau/

Porteau Cove Olympic Legacy Cabins

The Olympic Legacy cabins were built by Pioneer Log Homes of Williams Lake, BC and used during the 2010 Winter Olympic Games at Simon Fraser University and the British Columbia Institute of Technology as information kiosks and a showcase of BC Parks.

Each cabin has one bedroom and a loft, a private kitchen and a bathroom. All linens will be supplied. Occupancy for the cabins has been set at a maximum of four (4) people.

$199/night during high season, $139 otherwise.

I had no idea that they were there. It smacks of someone having leftover cabins, and scrambling to find somewhere to put them. It doesn't seem totally out of line, in context of a roadside/camping park, but is a bit unusual. Hopefully they're not right beside the railway tracks.

hamish f

Social climber

squamish

Jun 18, 2012 - 09:07am PT

Thanks for the quick response, I'm sure Loci isn't too happy when you spend more time with the computer than with her.
I guess I was a little off on the rates for the cabins,I thought they were 300/night, not 200. Oh well, I was in the ballpark. Actually, these days, 200 plus tax is 300.
What do you think about ten of those cute little cabins next to the camprground at the bulletheads to help with cash-flow? Could be ten or fifteen thousand dollars a week to help fund trail maintenance and possibly some new trails. Maybe save up for a bigger septic field so as to install real toilets and get rid of those outhouses? And with that endless supply of water, perhaps some hot showers would be appreciated? Then the climbers with dineros could stay at the base of the crag and not have to slum it over at the Brew Pub. It might not be the Ahwahnee but those cabins are pretty cute.

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Jun 18, 2012 - 11:05am PT

Heck, they could even become members of FOSC at that point; talk about joining hands and singing kumbaya -makes my heart swell at the thought

And not only that, but they could also host FOSC meetings in the new pub at the top of the gondola.

hamish f

Social climber

squamish

Jun 18, 2012 - 11:44am PT

So, what do you think Anders? Maybe five cozy cabins nestled carefully in the mistletoe-ridden forest?

Maybe Carrot-Girl could answer this question as well, if you can take a break from work for a minute. Thanks.

hamish f

Social climber

squamish

Jun 18, 2012 - 11:51am PT

I'm actually just trying to get a handle on what type of money-making development Anders would permit in his Park.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jun 18, 2012 - 01:11pm PT

We're reasonably sure that we're now over 1,000 signatures.

It's not "my" park, it's our park.

The park was established by law, after careful consideration and public discussion. Its master plan, which is legally binding, doesn't have anything about commercial accommodation. There is ample commercial accommodation in the Squamish area - hotels, motels, cabins, and so on. Given that, a proposal to build tourist cabins in the park shouldn't even get off the ground - if you'll excuse the expression. The first step of any proposed commercial development in a park is to look at whether it can be done elsewhere, outside the park, and in this case it clearly can. In fact, aren't there already such cabins at the Klahania, or whatever they call it? Across the road?

hamish f

Social climber

squamish

Jun 18, 2012 - 01:34pm PT

Thank-you for answering the question, Anders. You were O.K. with the rental cabins at Porteau, and there were other options available for those campers, so why the change of heart in respect to the Chief?

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Jun 18, 2012 - 01:46pm PT

We're reasonably sure that we're now over 1,000 signatures.

One thousand. Sounds impressive. But is it really a lot? Or is it in fact just a little?

When the subject of benefit to Squamish is brought up, you've been very clear in your view that this is not a matter for the residents of Squamish to decide. You've made it clear that you believe this is a Provincial matter. A matter to be decided by and for the entire population of the province.

In light of that, what does your getting 1,000 signatures show? The latest population figure I can find for BC is 4.4 million. Now, obviously, some of those folks are babies and young children, but if we eliminate, say, 20%, that leaves us with just over 3.5 million who are eligible to sign your petition.

Of these, you managed to get 1.000. Which is 0.03% Three one-hundredths of one percent.

Once again, I stress that I am not campaigning for a gondola. But to trumpet the fact that 0.03% of a population group is willing to say they're against the idea is almost like giving ammunition to the enemy.

hamish f

Social climber

squamish

Jun 18, 2012 - 11:30pm PT

Yes, I always like the numbers stuff too, but last week someone suggested it wasn't a popularity contest and we shouldn't be counting votes. No problem, we're all pretty flexible around here.
I, like Tami, also like what Greg said several posts up but also realize this is truly a circular site as we covered that stuff at around post # 377.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jun 19, 2012 - 12:36am PT

Perhaps rather than doing the "editor/critic" routine - for whatever reason - some of you might instead look back at what's been said on this thread, and what's been accomplished. That is, that FOSC has over the last two months established that:

There are significant procedural concerns with the proposal,

Its substantive aspects haven't been independently examined in any real way,

There has been no credible and inclusive public process, and

A considerable number of individuals, and organizations, share these concerns.

Be constructive and positive, for a change.

hamish f

Social climber

squamish

Jun 19, 2012 - 10:53am PT

yup.

Hoser

climber

vancouver

Jun 19, 2012 - 04:39pm PT

Maybe the folks up North feel the same way as BK about taking land out of parks...not everything needs to be discussed. Hell its smaller than site C...stawamus is smaller than Klinaklini...everyone has there own view.

Maybe its just best to not negotiate land out of parks and reserves eh?

hamish f

Social climber

squamish

Jun 19, 2012 - 05:29pm PT

17,000 posts and I'm still a bit curious as to the "land being removed from the Park" quote. The land isn't going anywhere and anyone will be free to hike as they currently do. The only thing going anywhere will be the trees, and even they won't be going far.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jun 19, 2012 - 05:31pm PT

If people would only breed less, perhaps we'd have fewer environmental problems, whether with goofy gondolas or other things.

hamish f

Social climber

squamish

Jun 19, 2012 - 05:32pm PT

Hey Big Fella, just because you live with a cat.....

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jun 21, 2012 - 07:22pm PT

So you have something against cats?

Today's newspaper coverage of the proposed gondola issue.
http://m.squamishchief.com/article/20120621/SQUAMISH0101/306219978/-1/squamish/gondola-foes-stand-firm&template=JQMArticle

FOSC was rather amused to hear that some gondola supporters are claiming that we've been telling people that it would end on top of the Chief. Not! We have been quite clear that it would go through and have significant impacts on Stawamus Chief Provincial Park, and have also included links to the proponent's website for those interested. No doubt a few with concerns about the process, the proposal, or both aren't entirely clear about it all - but then, that's democracy, and neither is it very clear just what the proponents would and wouldn't do. For all the fine talk, it's pretty clear that they wouldn't be committed to much more than building a bottom and top terminal, and the gondola itself.

Hoping to have more news in a few days, after a meeting tomorrow.

Hoser

climber

vancouver

Jun 21, 2012 - 08:57pm PT

According to Frank Baumann, that IPP will never 100% never go ahead. Both have been shot down by hydro.

So we can go back to worrying about the gondola now