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Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
May 8, 2011 - 08:34pm PT
Coz,

So let me get this straight. Everyone who disagrees with you or doesn't see eye to eye with you is a troll or nutjob?

Is that it?
monolith

climber
May 8, 2011 - 08:38pm PT
^^So asketh the religious nutjob^^
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
May 8, 2011 - 08:41pm PT
Klimmer wrote: Bob,


Vengeance = retribution


Perhaps you are bent by the word "vengeance." It is old english KJV.


And you are bent on believing that if a God did exist he is capable of retribution. God is perfect and above the short comings of humans.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
May 8, 2011 - 09:17pm PT
or he is a hell of a good troll....
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
May 8, 2011 - 09:52pm PT
Oh ye of little faith . . .

Now moving on . . .


CIA--Bush--Bin Laden connection Timeline
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x314592




http://www.debug-digital.de/lebensaspekte/groundzero/cia_binladen.html

CIA- Bin Laden Connection
1976
=
Due to a trust agreement, drawn shortly after George H. Bush was appointed director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Saudi Sheik Salem M. bin Laden appointed Bath as his business representative in Houston.
"if this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator" George H. Bush (actually GWB)

1981
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George W. Bush oil company partly funded by the principal US representative of Salem Bin Laden, Osama Bin Laden's brother. John Cooley reports in Unholy Wars: "By 1981, when CIA chief Casey and his Saudi associates, Kamal Adhan and Prince Turki, were casting around for new sources of secret financing for the Afghan campaign, the bin Laden enterprises were all on a short list of possibly helpful families"

1986
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Afghanistan: Bin Laden brought in engineers from his father's company and heavy construction equipment to build roads and warehouses for the Mujaheddin. Then he helped building a CIA-financed tunnel complex, named Tora Bora, to serve as a major arms storage depot, training facility and medical center for the Mujaheddin, deep under the mountains close to the Pakistan border."
('Pittsburgh Post-Gazette,' 23 September 2001 Sunday, Two Star Edition, pg. A-12)

1992
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Bin Laden begins to set up legitimate businesses in the Sudan, and the Sudanese government supposedly liked this wealthy man who was investing in their country. US intelligence agencies then allege that this was the first terrorist attack involving bin Laden. The CIA get the order to kill Bin Laden and is still trying this.

1994
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According to US intelligence analysts, by January 1994, Osama bin Laden was financing at least three terrorist training camps in North Sudan.

1994-1995
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At the instance of the US and on the orders of Mrs.Benazir Bhutto, then Prime Minister, and Maj.Gen.(retd) Nasirullah Babar, her Interior Minister, he and Lt.Gen.Mohammad Aziz, then Deputy Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), created the Taliban. The US was interested in the Taliban as a possible operational asset against Iran and as the facilitator of oil and gas pipelines from Turkmenistan to Pakistan through Afghanistan planned by UNOCAL, an American company, with high political contacts in Washington DC. Dr.Henry Kissinger was reportedly the political consultant of the UNOCAL.

February 1995
=
US authorities named bin Laden and his Saudi brother-in-law, Mohammed Jamal Khalifa, among 172 unindicted co-conspirators with the 11 Muslims charged for the World Trade Center bombing and the associated plot to blow up other New York landmarks." ('Jane's Intelligence Review,' 1 October 1995)

June 1995
=
Unsuccessful assassination attempt on the life of the President of Egypt, Hosni Mubarak. U.S. intelligence sources have cause to believe bin Laden was linked to this action.

November 1995
=
Five Americans are killed in the truck bombing of a U.S.-operated Saudi National Guard training center in Riyadh. Bin Laden denies involvement but praises the attack.

May 1996
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The Sudan expels bin Laden because of international pressure by the United States and Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden then moves back to Afghanistan.

June 25th, 1996
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Attack on American barracks at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia. Osama bin Laden is accused by the U.S. of masterminding that bombing, which killed 19 U.S. airmen and wounded about 500 others

Mid 1996
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The FBI closed their files (marked Secret and coded 199) to investigate two of Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington and a Muslim organisation, the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), with which they were linked.

June 1996
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A large truck bomb devastates the US military residence in Dhahran, killing 19 servicemen. The US military initially linked bin Laden and a Saudi Shiite group to the attack.

1998
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Former President George H.W. Bush travels to Saudi Arabia on behalf of the privately owned Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the U.S. While there he meets privately with the Saudi royal family and the bin Laden family. [Source: Wall Street Journal, Sept. 27, 2001. See also FTW, Vol. IV, No 7 The Best Enemies Money Can Buy http://www.copvcia.com/members/carlyle.html

Early 1998
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The CIA starts monitoring Bin Laden with the help of 15 Afghan agents. The team, whose code name is still classified, reported daily, pinpointing bin Laden in a specific location. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011223/pl/afghan_cia_1.html

August 7th, 1998
=
Two explosions take place at US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. The bomb is Nairobi, Kenya kills 213 people, and injure more than 4,500 . The bomb in Dar es Salaam kills 11 and injures 85. The attack is connected to Bin Laden.

October 12th, 1999
=
A planned attack on Bin Laden, ordered by President Clinton, was aborted on that day, when Sharif was overthrown in a military coup by General Pervez Musharraf, who halted the proposed covert operation. The Clinton administration had to settle for a UN Security Council resolution that demanded the Taliban turn over bin Laden to "appropriate authorities," but did not require he be handed over to the United States.

March 2000
==
CIA director George J. Tenet told the Senate that Osama bin Laden's group (Al Q'aeda) was "embracing the opportunities offered by recent leaps in information technology

August 2000
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The FBI "lost" two suspects on their watch list: Khalid Al-Midhar and Nawaq Alhazm. The CIA was later also investigating on these two persons, officially due to connections of the USS Cole Bombing in 2000. They never revealed until today, why they stopped this investigation. On September 11th, these two names appeared again on the list of the 19 hijackers.

October 2000
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The warship USS Cole is crippled by a suicide bombing in Yemen that killed 17 sailors. Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda network later had been linked to the attack, who praised it. The CIA locates Chalid Al-Midhar and Nawaq Alhamzi again and watch them because of the USS Cole attack, but finished the investigation again without any officical explanation.

During 2000
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Former President George H.W. Bush travels again to Saudi Arabia on behalf of the privately owned Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the U.S. While there he meets privately with the Saudi royal family and the bin Laden family. [Source: Wall Street Journal, Sept. 27, 2001. See also FTW, Vol. IV, No 7 The Best Enemies Money Can Buy http://www.copvcia.com/members/carlyle.html

Feb 13, 2001
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UPI Terrorism Correspondent Richard Sale - while covering a trial of bin Laden's Al Qaeda followers - reports that the National Security Agency has broken bin Laden's encrypted communications. Even if this indicates that bin Laden changed systems in February it does not mesh with the fact that the government insists that the attacks had been planned for years

Juli 4th, 2001
=
As long as the possibility of a Afghanistan pipeline deal remained, the White House stalled any further investigation into the activities of Osama bin Laden, authors Brisard and Dasquie write. They report that John O'Neill, deputy director of the FBI, resigned later in protest over this obstruction. O'Neill told them in an interview, "the main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were US oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it."

July 4-14, 2001:
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Osama bin Laden receives treatments for kidney disease at the American hospital in Dubai and meets with CIA official Larry Stevens who returns to CIA headquarters on July 15th. It is reported, that also Al-Zawahiri and members of Bin Ladens family have visited him.

Late July 2001
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John O'Neill, the Irish-American FBI agent who for years led US investigations into Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network resigned in frustration because the US ambassador to Yemen, Ms Barbara Bodine, forbade O'Neill and his team of so- called Rambos (as the Yemeni authorities called them) from entering Yemen. John O'Neill starts a security job in the World Trade Center and died on September 11th.

September 11th, 2001
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The CIA blames the attack on america on Bin Laden



In your best Star Wars Darth Vader imitating voice . . .

"The dark side of the Force is strong between the CIA, Osama bin Laden, and the Bush Family"
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 8, 2011 - 10:02pm PT
Actually just the other way around. It shouldn't be a human trait because we don't have omnipotent knowledge, but GOD does. We do not deserve this kind of power. It isn't ours. We are human and often make mistakes in our judgement.

That is why GOD reserves vengeance for himself only. He is omnipotent and his judgement is true.


Yer a real fool. And God says do too!
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
May 8, 2011 - 10:41pm PT
Oh the secrets the Bush Family could tell . . .

In deed, the Dark Side of the Force is Strong within the Bush Family . . .

and their relationship with the Saud and Bin Laden Families runs deep . . .



















How long will it take for America to wake up and stop this madness?

And President Obama only wants to look forward and not backward. And the self-selected Presidential Executive powers continue unabated.

Does it sound more than a little bit like ancient Rome around here to anyone else but me?
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
May 8, 2011 - 11:02pm PT







WBraun

climber
May 8, 2011 - 11:05pm PT
LOL too funny .....


Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
May 9, 2011 - 12:07am PT
Good article written by Michael Ruppert back in 2001. Michael ruppert was so far ahead of everyone on getting the word out about the truth of 9-11-01. Reading his book, Crossing the Rubicon, was a mind bender.

Wish it didn't take me so long to come around, but I finally did (2003ish). I finally saw too much of the light. Then I knew. It hurt. It hurt bad. It was painful. Depressing even.

But love of family, friends, and GOD got me through. Life, love of life, adventure, family, the truth, and love of GOD goes on. But now I know the truth. I know. My heart is happy even though "the wicked one" controls the wicked World around us. I can step out spiritually, and be happy, and be separate as Jesus told us to be.




Bin Laden Met With CIA In
July...And Walked Away -
Connect The Dots
By Michael C. Ruppert
© Copyright 2001 All Rights Reserved
http://www.copvcia.com
11-2-1
http://www.rense.com/general16/bin.htm
WBraun

climber
May 9, 2011 - 12:12am PT
rschop's Journal is pretty good too.

It's several web pages long.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/rschop
WBraun

climber
May 9, 2011 - 12:27am PT
Unfortunately, you could post definitive proof that 9/11 was a false flag op and nobody would bother to read it.

I'd read it and so would several million others.

You definitively would too .....
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
May 9, 2011 - 12:32am PT
A very spiritually poignant article and thought regarding the rejoicing at the fall of our enemies follows.

It bothered me that people were shouting in the streets for joy at the death of another human being, even if he was evil, and a terrorist when he was alive in the last part of his years. Now I know why. This article nails it on the head.

But all the indications show we, the USA, made him into what he became. He didn't like our presence in Saudi Arabia, the country of Mecca, Islam's most Holy site (not agreeing with the tenants of Islam, but I do give them mutual respect as a faith.) I won't ever agree with the philosophy of terrorism. It is evil and wrong no matter how you look at it. The taking of life is wrong. However, he was after all our CIA asset. . .



'Rejoice Not…'
Saturday, 07 May 2011 08:20
http://mwcnews.net/focus/analysis/10547-rejoice-not.html









WB,


Thanks. I'll look into his journal at DU.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
May 9, 2011 - 01:49am PT
Coz wrote

Karl,

I can only say to you and the treehugger, disgruntled vet DMT, two words.

Resource domination. That's the reason everyone since the Mongels have been involved in Afganistan. That's just basic knowledge, I'd hope...

I have to hope you're kidding on this. I mean, if you're willing to advocate invading a country and violently dominating it to control resources, you're advocating killing thousands of innocent people in the process. How is that so different from Bin Laden advocating killing thousands of innocent people to push them out of dominating Muslim Countries? It this just plain cold selfishness without any morality? We only hate evil when it's directed against us?

healyje wrote

And most of the original colonists were fundamentalist religious fanatics and pariahs who were escaping persecution, not justice. Hell, they had more in common with OBL holed-up in a cave than with you or me.

Like the issue of slavery, it's hard to judge the past by today's standards, and it's also possible that todays extremist Muslims are simply behind the times and that Radical elements of Islam will be marginalized in time or cease violence. (It's questionable whether fundamentalist Christians egging on the end of the world have done that, or just egged on the government to do their dirty work)

But that said, it's hard to dispute. In the late 1600's Heresy carried the death penalty in Massachusetts. They hung Quakers, merely for being Quakers. It will similarly illegal to be a Catholic, or Anglican, and then there's the Salem Witch Trials.

Then our founding fathers became terrorists in the eyes of England, their former home country.

History is written by the winners. Very few people are really evil, they are just possessed passionately by their misguided ideas. That goes for Bin Laden as well as the many people on this forum who advocated Nuking whole Mid-east countries after 9-11. The evil destructive effects in innocent people aren't so different except by scale.

Peace

Karl

jstan

climber
May 9, 2011 - 02:01am PT
Excellent Karl. Excellent IMO,

Whatever it is people believe in, they all have the potential to do terrible things.

It seems the first step comes when a person realizes, in all probability and to some degree, they themselves are doing terrible things. Each day then becomes a journey to root out what that evil may be. Expect no "success."

This is the core of most belief systems. All too often

sight of this has been lost.

Righteousness is the primary evil - I think.

Righteousness is everywhere.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
May 9, 2011 - 10:45am PT







shut up and pull

climber
May 9, 2011 - 11:13am PT
shut up and pull

climber
May 9, 2011 - 11:15am PT
FROM POWERLINE:

All of this praise is due to the fact that Obama approved, rather than nixing, the killing of bin Laden. A good decision, to be sure. But is there a single person, anywhere, who doubts that George W. Bush would have made the same call? Or John McCain, if he had won in 2008? Of course not. The Democrats' jubilation results from the fact that their guy didn't wilt under pressure, but rather lived up to the standard that George W. Bush and John McCain easily met. For this, he is called "courageous" and "gutsy."

One wonders: if killing bin Laden was a courageous, gutsy decision by Barack Obama, where were the liberals when President Bush approved the killing of Zarqawi? Do you remember any of them praising that decision as courageous and "game changing?" No, neither do I. Or how about the apprehension of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? How many congratulations did that skillfully-executed operation draw from the Left? And how about Bush's decision to topple, and then capture, Saddam Hussein, one of America's bitterest enemies, whose forces tried to shoot down American airplanes and who attempted to assassinate a former American President? Was that a courageous and gutsy decision? We all know the answer to that question.

What we are currently witnessing is the strange spectacle of liberals trying to grab, for their guy, a mantle neither he nor they ever sought: cold-blooded assassin of anti-American terrorists. This has nothing to do with their true values and priorities, and everything to do with the fact that Obama's economic policies have put him in a deep hole as he seeks re-election next year.

shut up and pull

climber
May 9, 2011 - 11:16am PT
shut up and pull

climber
May 9, 2011 - 11:17am PT
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