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TLP

climber
Dec 29, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
Base, I'm more wigged about the Eocene. Any enlightenment from the world of geology? Mangrove fossils in Alaska is just too weird. And the land masses were more or less where they are now, so it's not like oceanic circulation would have been as drastically different as in the Cretaceous. If it only took CO2 of 800 or so ppm to result in Eocene climate, wow.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 30, 2013 - 12:01am PT
Base-"trust me there is plenty of room for debate". Yes indeed Base, there certainly is. First off, as fellow entrepenuer I understand quite well the risks and rewards of wealth creation. I also understand the conflict between some of your ideology and your work, but I would imagine you are also frequently disgusted by attacks on your profession by starry eyed, ill informed ,enviro activist wannabe's. Now what came first in the geological past; the temp increase or the CO2 increase? Seems to me that absent major volcanism that other natural mechanisms like orbital eccentricities or prolonged periods of slightly increased, penetrating solar irradiance ( whether from decreased albedo due to less clouds and/or aerosols,or from actual TSI increases)were to blame for temp increase and the consequent CO2 increase. In the quantities present during ancient hothouse events CO2 was a powerful feedback .There is a problem with resolution in this time depth.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 30, 2013 - 12:06am PT
dirtbag

climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 12:25am PT
Chief, what was your rank in the military?

Major F*#ktard, or General Asshole?

BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 30, 2013 - 12:51am PT
Chief has time to go google up CHK, but not enough time to go Google my statements on paleoclimate. This is the perfect example of a mentally inferior person using an ad hominem attack. There is plenty of room to attack my statements on paleoclimate. He is just too lazy to read a little.

I hate being stuck in front of the computer. I'll be up all night meeting a deadline tomorrow morning. You know, work.

Carry on.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:26am PT
You still don't get it, Chief. The truth has nothing to do with me. Or you.

Go buy Carl Sagan's book. At least you will be able to argue in a logical manner.

BTW, I was never an employee of CHK. I was a contractor. That is an important legal distinction. Great place. I loved it. I was surrounded by smart people who enjoyed their work.

I have to go, but before I leave you to your loneliness,

Snap to and go salute a junior officer. Hit the deck and give him 50. You had a button that wasn't shiny.

OK. Let's see if he goes postal on us.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 30, 2013 - 06:20am PT
Chief,

You lost. You just don't realize it. The symptom is your desperate personal attacks while avoiding actual science. I posted a long discussion of the Cretaceous event and its similarities with what is happening now. You haven't addressed a single word of it. I suppose it is because you can't.

I don't know why Ed bothers. I'm done.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 30, 2013 - 10:37am PT
You could take Bruce's last post and substitute his name for the Chief's and you would have the truth. As DMT points out, the science is their for all to see. It is not pointing towards a 2 to 4.5 degree ECS for a doubling of CO2, but rather some value likey in the range of .2 to 1.3. I get the Chief's frustration with people that just cannot accept reality because of lack of humility or inability to free themselves of brainwashing.

Here again is the words of a man with vast experience in climate science, a man that due to a short life horizon has little to gain or lose in this debate.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/10/on-the-futility-of-long-range-numerical-climate-prediction/
dirtbag

climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 11:34am PT
Chief Moobs, you're the biggest hypocrite here.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 30, 2013 - 11:42am PT
For Base, maybe Dingus and anyone else who might be curious to read a geologist's big-picture perspective on climate change, aimed at general readership ... another geologist sent me this book for Christmas, by University of Colorado geologist William Hay:


Here is the Amazon.com blurb:
This book is a thorough introduction to climate science and global change. The author is a geologist who has spent much of his life investigating the climate of Earth from a time when it was warm and dinosaurs roamed the land, to today's changing climate. Bill Hay takes you on a journey to understand how the climate system works. He explores how humans are unintentionally conducting a grand uncontrolled experiment which is leading to unanticipated changes. We follow the twisting path of seemingly unrelated discoveries in physics, chemistry, biology, geology, and even mathematics to learn how they led to our present knowledge of how our planet works. He explains why the weather is becoming increasingly chaotic as our planet warms at a rate far faster than at any time in its geologic past. He speculates on possible future outcomes, and suggests that nature itself may make some unexpected course corrections. Although the book is written for the layman with little knowledge of science or mathematics, it includes information from many diverse fields to provide even those actively working in the field of climatology with a broader view of this developing drama. Experimenting on a Small Planet is a must read for anyone having more than a casual interest in global warming and climate change - one of the most important and challenging issues of our time.
dirtbag

climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
Chief, why don't you spend your free time working off your moobs instead of posting here and showing how illiterate you are?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
Here is an interesting presentation on the difficulties of climate modeling. I know that most of you will dismiss it without watching as FF industry or Koch brothers propaganda, but the few of you that do watch it might just have some questions to ask of our resident scientists.It is the second article on this website.

http://notrickszone.com/

EDIT-fixed link

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
As previously stated, publicly and privately-huge respect for your service. Thank You.
But that respect is eroding faster than a bong placement on an Olevsky route in a rain squall.

I know you don't give a shet about my opinion, or anyones. But you take lowest common denominator in a steep deep dive. Everyday's a new low.

raymond phule

climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
"NOTICE: This domain name expired on 12/9/2013 and is pending renewal or deletion. Renew It Now!"

Good link...
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
has nothing to do with any side of any thread topic and you know it.

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
On the flip side, anything that challenges warmer dogma is idiotic denier propaganda.

we're in agreement on that one....except nothing challenging has been submitted.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick/2013/12/28/msm-glosses-over-irony-global-warming-scientists-trapped-antarctic-ice#ixzz2ovITxKYv
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
what do you know about unbiased opinion? Know anyone who has one?

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
You are supposed to be answering the questions not asking Ed. So here is what I found most interesting-that picture of Leonardo's, where the waterfall hits the pool below. The eddies and whirlpools begetting endless possible variations of additional eddies and whirlpools-the chaos possible in the turbulence. With the resolution of climate modeling inadequate to model small grids ( I think he mentioned like 100 km grids) how do the models compensate adequately when the smaller scale grids can combine in near infinite combinations to produce wholes sometimes greater than the parts? In your own words please.
crunch

Social climber
CO
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
how do the models compensate adequately when the smaller scale grids can combine in near infinite combinations to produce wholes sometimes greater than the parts?

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