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Lynne Leichtfuss
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Oct 19, 2009 - 11:58pm PT
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Dirtbag, Yes !!!! My questions are aimed at relevant day to day living which then produces a history of mankind overtime. Stop ! with the obscure generalizations. Life is lived by a human one day at a time, one step at a time with peace, patience and perseverance. :DD
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jstan
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:03am PT
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Is it not possible for someone to "know" they are dying but they find they do not in fact die?
There is no certain bridge between what we "know" and what "is."
Your "knowing" that everything is from god, does not mean everything is. It is a perception you have and nothing more.
An example:
Since the time of Newton we have not "known" that force is the product of mass times acceleration. We have found that a very useful model, which now is developing some interesting new aspects, I have read.
Those interesting new aspects don't bother us in the least because we
NEVER PRETENDED TO KNOW IT IN THE WAY YOU USE THE WORD "KNOW."
Perfect knowledge is no more possible than it is to throw a perfect handstand.
Gobee, when you talk about "knowing", you are talking about something that does not even exist.
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dirtbag
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:03am PT
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Lynne, it's still a separate quesiton/questions from whether life has evolved through the ages.
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dfrost7
Social climber
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:05am PT
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Skipt, excellent reference to a route.
It is not a search within us. God will not intrude uninvited. All we do is ask. Yes, it's that simple. We recognize we have fallen short, we've all done this. We've all sinned, chosen to put our will above God. That is really what it is.
It is interesting. Over and over the struggle to not believe. You won't find us trying to prove Him.
We've been there. Honestly. Science, inward journeys, you name it - those obvious other "answers". They circle around and around. They struggle. We have been promised. God does not lie, it is impossible for Him to lie.
He will make Himself known.
Most of the struggle is the fear of how this will change your life. Yes, it will. Profoundly. To walk with Christ changes, fills you.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:07am PT
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What do you mean about separate questions, dirtbag ?
jstan, the people I saw die began dying when they were functioning normally in their brain. They knew they were close to death. Knew Well. When finally near the end the medical community moved in and gave drugs to induce a coma like state in both people even tho they were not similar in diagnosis or age.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:08am PT
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Ok, get it dirbag....life has evolved both mentally and physically during the ages.
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dirtbag
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:10am PT
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You're question is, basically, "So what?" right?
That's a separate question from whether life, in fact, has evolved.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:10am PT
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jstan, you are getting to far out for me. What I know is what is. When I have a bad hair day I Know I look BAD. When my leg is aching I know I have an injury. When jesus talks to me, I hear him. I wish I heard him more. But like yo husbands and wives....listening and tuning in is important.
I'll be out for awhile from the ethernet. Will miss yo All. Peace, lynne
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jstan
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:25am PT
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OK Lynne. You have never been sure something was true but it turned out not to be.
Must be great being perfect.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:31am PT
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jstan, sarcasm does not become humanoides. :D Yo know perfectly well no one is perfect.
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jstan
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:37am PT
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So is Gobee perfect when he "knows" god is everything?
Wasn't being sarcastic. It seemed the point just was not getting across so I had to take it to the final conundrum.
Skip:
Do you realize you put in a little twist of insult when you post? It is pretty consistent.
What ever you are trying to accomplish is not helped. It does not affect me but it does affect you. Easy to fix.
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Flanders!
Trad climber
June Lake, CA
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:39am PT
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Let me slink out of the dugout for a moment: Back to the Topic....
"The Cambrian Explosion, which occurred roughly 600 million yrs. ago is the single
greatest problem which the fossil record poses for Darwinistic evolution. Nearly all the
animal phyla appear in the rocks of this period, without a trace of evolutionary ancestors
that Darwinist require. As Richard Dawkins puts it, "It is as though they were just planted
there, without any evolutionary history." you don't say, Sherlock
Stephen J. Gould says: " Two different kinds of explanations for the absence of Precambrian
ancestors have been debated for more than a century: the artifact theory (they exist, but the
fossil record hasn't preserved them), and the fast-transition theory( they really didn't exist,
at least as complex invertebrates easily linked to their descendants, and the evolution of
modern anatomical plans occurred with a rapidity that threatens our usual ideas about the
stately pace of evolutionary change)"
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jstan
climber
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:44am PT
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Flanders:
You need to read some of Stephen J Gould's work on rates of evolution. He dealt with it in some detail.
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WBraun
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:48am PT
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They try at every which way to avoid any mention of God.
The mantra is "There is no God" my machine did not see him.
They have total faith and believe in their machine.
Just look at the suburban machine which feed the needs of the soul fallen down into it's narcissistic state of decorating it's body.
On ward marching robots, thinking for themselves.
Robots are programmed and created by higher intelligence to run .....
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:51am PT
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You are delusional, Skip.
Jstan is one of the most respected posters here.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 20, 2009 - 12:59am PT
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Oh forget skip forget all your petty lives
Back to the laboratory to gnaw on the bone to find the origin.
Desperately seeking the bone ......
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 20, 2009 - 01:03am PT
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#1,500!!!111!!!666 Mine! All mine! My pwecious!!!
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dirtbag
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Oct 20, 2009 - 01:04am PT
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"Oh forget skip forget all your petty lives
Back to the laboratory to gnaw on the bone to find the origin.
Desperately seeking the bone ...... "
Well aren't we wearing the grumpy pants tonight.
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WBraun
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Oct 20, 2009 - 01:07am PT
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That means you have nothing except your tired old grumpy self as usual.
This is what you project .....
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 20, 2009 - 01:10am PT
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Sure, whatever Werner...
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