Armed Militia Takes Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge HQ

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HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 22, 2016 - 10:54am PT
Hey look. A 7th grade lunch table bet that nobody has any intention of actually doing the research on to prove. Why try to find actual documentation of actual tanks being staged to invade the refuge when one can just argue that since they could IMAGINE the government using tanks against it's own citizens that the tanks are probably there!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 22, 2016 - 11:10am PT
Fed land control is being turned over to the states,

And which land would that be??
dirtbag

climber
Jan 22, 2016 - 11:17am PT
Hey look. A 7th grade lunch table bet that nobody has any intention of actually doing the research on to prove. Why try to find actual documentation of actual tanks being staged to invade the refuge when one can just argue that since they could IMAGINE the government using tanks against it's own citizens that the tanks are probably there!

The illuminati have silenced all reporting on this.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 22, 2016 - 11:18am PT
I have a friend who is a Rockefeller I'll ask her. I'm sure she gets this kind of stuff in her morning briefings.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 22, 2016 - 11:20am PT
Don't--if she tells you, they'd have to kill you.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 22, 2016 - 11:28am PT
It's ok, everyone knows they only go after True Americans who Believe in the Constitution. Because liberals are rich elites who think that taxing the rich is the fix for everything.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 22, 2016 - 12:36pm PT
Why not? this is as good a place as any. It is after all a sort of a chess match up there in Oregon with a lot of crazy sheeit.

Checkmate: Saudi grand mufti makes move against chess


Not one to hesitate, Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin-Abdullah al-Sheikh said that chess and similar games were "forbidden" in Islam because they're a form of gambling.

The clip, which can be seen on YouTube, was apparently posted in 2015. But, as happens with these things, it gained traction only recently.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jan 22, 2016 - 01:05pm PT
Photo proof of tanks in Burns.


Won't that just make it burn worse?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2016 - 02:06pm PT
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Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 23, 2016 - 06:05am PT
We'd have to make a distinction between Armored Personnel Carriers vs. actual Tanks. Might have to put a different betting line on each.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 23, 2016 - 10:53am PT
BURNS – Negotiations to end the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge went awry Friday, as protest leader Ammon Bundy questioned the FBI's legal authority to even be in Harney County.

The next step toward resolving the 3-week-old standoff isn't clear.

The hang-up appears to be Bundy's belief that FBI agents have no standing to deal with the refuge takeover unless they're deputized by Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward.

Militiamen and self-styled patriots contend that under the U.S. Constitution, the sheriff is the highest law enforcement power in the county. The word "sheriff," however, doesn't appear in the Constitution.

That didn't stop Bundy from arriving at the Harney County Courthouse to talk to Ward. Instead, he was left to talk at a security checkpoint with Ward's No. 2, Lt. Brian Needham, who was accompanied by Malheur County Sheriff Brian Wolfe.

Bundy, speaking with an intensity unusual given his typical mild demeanor, insisted on knowing if the FBI had gotten permission to operate in the county. He kept pressing when the sheriff's lieutenant said local and federal authorities were working together.

When Needham said the FBI did have the sheriff's authority, Bundy demanded to see it in writing. He was told no.

A taut-faced Bundy walked away from the encounter and uncharacteristically snapped at a reporter's question: "Don't put words in my mouth."

Asked what his next steps would be, he said he was going back to the refuge to work.

Bundy and a group of about 20 others occupied the headquarters of the bird sanctuary on Jan. 2 and so far have refused to leave, saying they want federal land turned over to county control and the release of two imprisoned local ranchers. Operated by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, the reserve covers 187,757 acres of wildlife habitat.

The episode marked a departure from Thursday's scene, when Bundy spent nearly an hour talking to an FBI negotiator by phone. The two had agreed to talk again Friday, and Bundy once again showed up at the Burns Municipal Airport, hoping to meet face-to-face with a negotiator who identified himself only as "Chris."

Bundy's visit this time lasted no more than five minutes before he and several carloads of accompanying militants headed to town for the courthouse.

Bundy and his group have been focused on Ward since before the occupation. They originally sought his help to shield ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and his son, Steven, from surrendering earlier this month for federal prison terms. The two were convicted of federal arson charges in 2012 related to range fires they started on the sage lands south of Burns.

Ward refused to intercede and has repeatedly urged Bundy and his followers to break camp and go home.

In some militia circles, the sheriff is viewed as the highest legal authority in a county. The Anti-Defamation League said in its online analysis of that view that a sheriff's "most important role was to protect the people from the unlawful acts of officials of governments like judges and government agents."

The Anti-Defamation League said "sovereign citizens" who believe in the power of the sheriff also believe they can punish a sheriff for failing his duty. That included the "right to hang him."

    Les Zaitz
monolith

climber
state of being
Jan 23, 2016 - 12:34pm PT
Just enforcing the constitution....

SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jan 23, 2016 - 04:00pm PT

Put the fence up and starve the bastards.
No snacks, no electricity, no nothing.
When they come whining out, put 'em all in jail and
throw the key away.
Then go get Cliven Bundy's cows.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 23, 2016 - 04:03pm PT
Escopeta posted
We'd have to make a distinction between Armored Personnel Carriers vs. actual Tanks. Might have to put a different betting line on each.

I'm pretty sure one of them is a tank and one of them is Not A Tank.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jan 23, 2016 - 04:05pm PT
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Norton

Social climber
Jan 23, 2016 - 04:12pm PT
I can kind of understand why the militia guys have guns cause they are fun

but why do they feel the need to wear camouflage?

is it a gay thing, accessorize, accessorize, accessorize?
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jan 23, 2016 - 04:18pm PT
but why do they feel the need to wear camouflage?

If they wanted camo, they'd be wearing white right now.

I have to think the killing Bambi gear is the only stuff they have.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 23, 2016 - 04:20pm PT
Steve - yeah, no kidding. Why has none of that happened by now? Every time they do a beer run why not arrest them? And the power should have been cut off weeks ago.

This whole thing is turning into a big WTF?!?
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jan 23, 2016 - 04:28pm PT
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jan 23, 2016 - 04:47pm PT
In an interesting development, my long-time climbing partner just called me. He's a HS teacher in Eastern Oregon, and they had a teachers meeting yesterday where the teachers were "strongly encouraged" ( administration words) to carry concealed weapons on campus.

Teachers in Eastern Oregon are now undercover cops.
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