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dirtbag

climber

Jan 12, 2016 - 07:35am PT

Your taxes = theft/militia sympathies are pretty big clues.

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Jan 12, 2016 - 07:37am PT

It clearly mostly redistributes money from the middle class to the rich

And why is that do you think?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jan 12, 2016 - 07:38am PT

Quien esta Escopeta?

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2016 - 07:41am PT

Escopeta posted

The government IS the problem. That's not propaganda.

The government is in the single most absolute worst position to help these people

And the perpetrators of the notion that government is the great equalizer that can somehow make the calculated choice for them is just another form of stealing from those that do and giving it to those that won't.

So any criticism of the government and the amount of control they exercise, or the amount of freedom they extract is extreme government bashing?

Language is important.

I can't imagine how people think you're "government bashing." Clearly they are projecting other people's opinions onto you. Language is important, people!

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2016 - 07:46am PT

Escopeta posted

Implying that our current taxation system is anything more than 10% collective infrastructure support and 90% wealth re-distribution is a much more dangerous notion.

Please add up the "90% wealth redistribution for me."

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Jan 12, 2016 - 07:47am PT

Un don nadie. Un escalador sólo en mi mente más. Pero un cazador para siempre

Hay mucha gente aquí que saben de mí , pero sólo unos pocos que me conocen

Y no se muchos palabras - lo siento

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Jan 12, 2016 - 07:48am PT

Please add up the "90% wealth redistribution for me."

Is this a trick question? You already did it for me.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2016 - 07:50am PT

Is this a trick question? You already did it for me.

Ok, answer received. GL with the trolling.

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Jan 12, 2016 - 07:58am PT

I'll take because the rich have bought and sold the politicians for a thousand, Alex.

And you would be right.

Daily Double now: Multiple Choice

Why are those rich people able to buy off said politicians:

A) Because the government has control of so much that they have the ability to do favors through the budget and expenditure process.

B) Because the morass of regulations, laws, and administration makes it virtually impossible to be successful without coddling to the politicians

C) Because the politicians, regardless of which side of the "isle" they sit on are united in their desire to expand the role of government, therefore solidifying their place in every Americans life?

D) All of the above

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Jan 12, 2016 - 08:01am PT

Ok, answer received. GL with the trolling.

I was serious.

Let's try this. What part of your pie do you think is "collective infrastructure" expenditure and not wealth re-distribution. Realizing that the terminology is a very loose definition.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2016 - 08:19am PT

You're asking me to quantify false distinctions. "Wealth redistribution vs infrastructure" is your conceptual construct, not mine. You made an assertion, so back it up.

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Jan 12, 2016 - 08:33am PT

OK, then in that case you did, in fact, do it for me.

If you don't agree with the assertion, then discredit it rather than give me a homework assignment.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2016 - 09:03am PT

Sorry, the only fantasy world I'm entertaining this week is one where I'm going to win the Powerball. Specious arguments like "the entire US federal budget is theft" isn't something I need to waste my time on. If you want to make a factual argument then make a factual argument. I'm not interested in propaganda. Avoiding homework does not seem to have served you well so far, this might be a good time to start doing some.

In the real world:

President Obama's last State of the Union is tonight at 9 pm EST. The SOTU response will be given by Governor Nikki Haley.

Trump and Cruz are in basically a dead heat in Iowa. There are 20 days until the Caucuses.

Sanders is looking like he might take Iowa and the Clinton campaign staff is worried. Passionate turnout for Obama tanked her in 2008's Iowa Caucuses and gave legitimacy to Obama's campaign.

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Jan 12, 2016 - 09:21am PT

Specious arguments like "the entire US federal budget is theft" isn't something I need to waste my time on

Is this the person that accused me of trolling? Good Grief.

I am perfectly comfortable with allowing the casual reader to asses your posted pie chart and make their own determination of how much government largess and wealth redistribution is occurring in good ole 'Murica.

Will they call it 90/10? 75/25? 50/50? It matters not. But anyone that looks at it and doesn't connect the dots that draws a picture of an out of control government fixated on its own expansion should probably not procreate.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2016 - 09:35am PT

I am perfectly comfortable with allowing the casual reader to asses your posted pie chart and make their own determination of how much government largess and wealth redistribution is occurring in good ole 'Murica.

Will they call it 90/10? 75/25? 50/50? It matters not. But anyone that looks at it and doesn't connect the dots that draws a picture of an out of control government fixated on its own expansion should probably not procreate.

You're perfectly comfortable with allowing the casual reader to assess the federal budget, make a judgement of which parts of it fall into undefined categories that you invented and then, regardless of what made up ratio they decide upon, if they do not conclude that the world is how you say it is they shouldn't have children? This is your argument?

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Jan 12, 2016 - 09:42am PT

Sounds about right.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2016 - 10:04am PT

I can't imagine why people aren't taking you seriously.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jan 12, 2016 - 10:08am PT

Yo comprendo, Escopeta.

But you still don't make any sense.

John M

climber

Jan 12, 2016 - 10:21am PT

the cool thing about escopeto is that if one accepts the 10 percent good, 90 percent bad, then that means he wants the federal budget to be 330 billion dollars. And even if you spent every penny of that on the military, which by the way would be impossible because some of that money needs to go to the people who collect it, but lets not quibble. So even if every dollar of it goes to the military, then he wants to cut the militaries budgets by more then 50 percent.

Hows that for finding the silver lining?

Thanks Escopeto. Cutting the militaries budget is something that we can agree on.