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couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jul 18, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Argument is over boyz, Snowden's joining Goldman Sachs and has received a full Presidential Pardon. You saw it here first.

Read it and weep: http://dailycurrant.com/2013/07/03/edward-snowden-joins-goldman-sachs-receives-full-pardon/

bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Jul 18, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
Daily Currant is a hoax site.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jul 18, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
So, you are saying that the headline's "Selena Gomez Says Bieber Has ‘Tiny, Weird Penis’", "Ann Coulter Shoots Black Cat on Neighborhood Watch" and "NASA Finds Message From God on Mars" are also false then?

Hardly believable sir.

Want to bet that Hedge wants to debate that for the next 3 years?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 18, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
Under the guidelines of the ordinance, any registered drone hunter would be given $100 if he presents "identifiable parts of an unmanned aerial vehicle whose markings and configuration are consistent with those used on any similar craft known to be owned or operated by the United States federal government."

According to KMGH-TV, the licenses would cost $25 a year. The board will consider the measure on Aug. 6.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/17/colorado-town-concerned-about-surveillance-considers-drone-hunting-licenses/?test=latestnews#ixzz2ZRr3KjIC
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jul 18, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
Here you go rSin:

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/7/18/glenn_greenwald_growing_backlash_against_nsa

Is that liberal enough for you?

One of the best segments DN has done in a while.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 18, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
gotta go to them furinners newspapers to get the story.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Judith-Miller-Obama-is-criminalizing-news-gathering-315599

Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jul 18, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
You have to KNOW the full might of the NSA will be focused on any editor that dares cross them.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
crøtch

climber
Jul 19, 2013 - 12:42am PT
A little more sunshine...

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/07/201371704225666982.html

A US court has ordered the Obama administration to declassify a 2008 court decision justifying the Prism spying programme revealed last month by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

The ruling, issued earlier this week, will show how the state has legally justified its covert data collection programmes under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Judge Reggie Walton of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court issued the ruling to declassify the decision. The government is expected to decide by August 26 which parts of the 2008 decision may be published.

The scope and scale of Prism, which collects millions of private foreign communications with American citizens, was leaked to the media last month by Snowden. Its operation is overseen by the FIS Court and its appeals body, the FIS Court of Review.

The ruling to declassify comes after a challenge by the internet firm, Yahoo, on the constitutionality of the programme.

It and a number of internet firms including Facebook, Google, AOL and Microsoft, were compelled to provide information to the National Security Agency (NSA), which runs Prism.

A statement from Yahoo on Tuesday said that it was "very pleased" with the court's ruling.

"Once those documents are made public, we believe they will contribute constructively to the ongoing public discussion around online privacy," Yahoo said.

NSA sued

Meanwhile, 19 organisations represented by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has filed a suit against the NSA for violating their right of association by illegally collecting their call records.

The coalition includes Unitarian church group, gun ownership advocates, and a broad coalition of membership and political advocacy groups.

"The First Amendment protects the freedom to associate and express political views as a group, but the NSA's mass, untargeted collection of Americans' phone records violates that right by giving the government a dramatically detailed picture into our associational ties," Cindy Cohn, the legal director for the EFF, said.

"Who we call, how often we call them, and how long we speak shows the government what groups we belong to or associate with, which political issues concern us, and our religious affiliation.

"Exposing this information – especially in a massive, untargeted way over a long period of time – violates the Constitution and the basic First Amendment tests that have been in place for over 50 years."

Data requests

Meanwhile a number of major US Internet companies, including Microsoft, Google and Facebook have asked the government for permission to disclose the number of national security-related user data requests they receive.

Also on Tuesday, Microsoft published an lengthy letter to US Attorney General Eric Holder asking for greater freedom to publicly discuss how it turns over user information to the government.

The letter was a response to a The Guardian newspaper report that said Microsoft had given authorities the ability to circumvent encryption of Outlook emails and to capture Skype online chats. The company says that report is inaccurate.

Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:24am PT
now we have former head of NSA General Hayden, now director for Motorola Solutions, using his knowledge gained from the NSA to try and herd off a competitor. now while he may be correct, thats not the point. now you can bet these NSA guys who learned by spyong on others will be paid some good bucks to work for corporations.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10191154/Ex-CIA-chief-accuses-Huawei-of-industrial-espionage.html

The former head of the CIA and the National Security Agency (NSA) in the USA claims that he has seen hard evidence that communications company Huawei has engaged in espionage on behalf of the Chinese government.

In an extraordinary interview with the Australian Financial Review newspaper, General Michael Hayden alleged that Huawei has shared “intimate and extensive knowledge of the foreign telecommunications systems” with the Chinese state.

He claimed to have reviewed a briefing paper from Huawei two or three years ago, when the company was trying to establish a footprint in the United States. While acknowledging that the paper said “all the right things,” Hayden still refused to endorse their presence in the US.

“God did not make enough briefing slides on Huawei to convince me that having them involved in our critical communications infrastructure was going to be okay. This is not blind prejudice on my part. This was my considered view based on a four-decade career as an intelligence officer,” he said.

He went on to say that the burden of proof is on Huawei to prove that its networking equipment does not contain any insidious hardware implants or backdoors that would feed information back to the Chinese state.

“Based upon the House Intelligence Committee’s open hearings in America last year, Huawei was well short of providing any comforting testimony that would make me begin to question the intuitive premise that Huawei presents serious national security risks on a first-principles basis,” he said.

Hayden is a director of Motorola Solutions, which provides voice and data communications products and systems to the US government. Huawei and Motorola have previously been engaged in intellectual property disputes for a number of years.

Huawei's global cybersecurity officer, John Suffolk, described the comments made by Hayden as “tired, unsubstantiated, defamatory remarks” and said they distract from real-world concerns related to espionage, which demand serious discussion globally.

The news comes in the wake of the UK government’s announcement that it will conduct a review of Huawei’s Cyber Security Evaluation Centre in Oxfordshire, in accordance with the recommendations of a report by the Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC).

The ISC’s report noted that Huawei’s links to the Chinese state are perceived and did not offer evidence to substantiate these allegations. It also noted Huawei’s denial of links with the Chinese state, and the fact that it is owned by its employees.

However, it did criticise the government’s processes of considering national security issues at the time that BT and Huawei started working together nearly ten years ago, describing them as “insufficiently robust”.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jul 19, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Lovegasoline, constitutional rights apply to govt conduct not private, so whether or not collecting info on you is legal, there would not be a constitutional violation. I dont know the laws on this but all sorts of people collect information about the public, from public domain sources. As for facebook I think you agreed to let them do it when you clicked "OK" at some point or another.

I just got back from listening to oral arguments in Awlaki v Panetta case, the one about 3 US citizens assassinated by a drone in Yemen, on orders of the President. The case won't be dismissed and will make a very important statement, but I doubt there will be any remedy (penalty), so the court really has no teeth.
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jul 19, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
It's understood that is precisely what Facebook, Google, et al do. Since there's no expectation of privacy, can a corporate entity or private individual also legally access all of this data?

Ever read the Terms of Service Agreement before you check the box?
I'm sure it says somehing about what may be done with your data in there.

Apparently, companies including Facebook, Google, AOL, and Yahoo were being "forced" to give up this data. No doubt with the "national security" excuse attached to it. At least that is what these companies are claiming, now.

And, it doesn't stop there. Remember the IRS scandal:

Meanwhile, 19 organisations represented by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has filed a suit against the NSA for violating their right of association by illegally collecting their call records.

The coalition includes Unitarian church group, gun ownership advocates, and a broad coalition of membership and political advocacy groups.

Interesting coalition, eh? Could it be that the far right and the left might find some common ground on this one????
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 19, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
Interesting coalition, eh? Could it be that the far right and the left might find some common ground on this one????

i would like to think that was possible....but doubtful.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 19, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
What about say Verizon selling your phone and email metadata to private entities?

I am pretty sure they cannot

however they can give it to our government if ordered to do so
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
Meanwhile, 19 organisations represented by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has filed a suit against the NSA for violating their right of association by illegally collecting their call records.


that, on the face of it, is absurd.

What instances of association were stopped by the supposed intrusion?
None.

They didn't even know any collection was going on, and they associated, anyway.

A convenient way of wasting taxpayer dollars.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
A thoughtful post by Bruce Schneier: Counterterrorism Mission Creep

One of the assurances I keep hearing about the U.S. government's spying on American citizens is that it's only used in cases of terrorism. Terrorism is, of course, an extraordinary crime, and its horrific nature is supposed to justify permitting all sorts of excesses to prevent it. But there's a problem with this line of reasoning: mission creep. The definitions of "terrorism" and "weapon of mass destruction" are broadening, and these extraordinary powers are being used, and will continue to be used, for crimes other than terrorism.
[...]

The most egregious example of this are the three anti-nuclear pacifists, including an 82-year-old nun, who cut through a chain-link fence at the Oak Ridge nuclear-weapons-production facility in 2012. While they were originally arrested on a misdemeanor trespassing charge, the government kept increasing their charges as the facility's security lapses became more embarrassing. Now the protestors have been convicted of violent crimes of terrorism -- and remain in jail.
[...]


http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/07/counterterroris_1.html
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jul 20, 2013 - 12:08am PT
Fringe kook bloogers

See, this is where you lose me jghedge. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a fringe kook according to you. Do you have any idea who Schneier is? Hardly on the fringe or a kook. He literally wrote _the_ book on cryptography. This is an important topic that reasonable people can disagree on, yet time after time you stoop to ad hominem attacks on those who don't share your views.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jul 20, 2013 - 01:13am PT
Perhaps you missed this?

But on December 4, 2012, the U.S. filed a new indictment of the protestors. Count one was the promised new charge of sabotage. Defendants were charged with intending to injure, interfere with, or obstruct the national defense of the United States and willful damage of national security premises in violation of 18 US Code 2155, punishable with up to 20 years in prison. Counts two and three were the previous felony property damage charges, with potential prison terms of up to fifteen more years in prison.

18 USC 2155 is part of the "Patriot Act"

http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/2155.html

Hyperbole? Not so much I think.

Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jul 20, 2013 - 01:27am PT
Not sure if this has been posted yet ... if it has sorry for the redundancy.

Watch the message video with Oliver Stone ...

Tell Congress To Act Now To End The Surveillance State
https://www.aclu.org/secure/stopnsa?sid=share?emissue=national_security&emtype=share&ms=eml_acluaction_govtspying_130713&etname=130712+Oli+Stone+NSA+video+share&etjid=933653


Oliver Stone on NSA Spying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U37hl0n9mY#at=15




"The question is not 'do you have something to hide?' The question is whether we control government or the government controls us." - Oliver Stone

History tells us that change will happen—that we can reclaim control of our government and our privacy—if ordinary citizens act on the stunning information that Edward Snowden has exposed.

And since Snowden exposed the NSA’s massive internet and telephone spying programs, tens of thousands of ACLU supporters have indeed taken a stand—calling on President Obama to end them. But he has refused to respond, offering up bland defenses of the program and stepping up the international witch-hunt for Snowden instead.

So now we need to turn to Congress, which blindly gave the NSA too much spying power in the first place.

In a sign of building momentum, new legislation is popping up every week to curtail or undo the secret surveillance state, but we’ll only get a good law if we send our representatives a crystal clear message: Americans stand opposed to this blatant abuse of power.

Tell Congress to get in gear to end the secret surveillance state—sign the petition demanding they repeal section 215 of the Patriot Act and section 702 of FISA immediately.



Imagine what our government or anyone with this kind of capability can do. We have a right to keep secrets. It's also about safe guarding our intellectual property. Imagine if you 're an inventor, then they know the secrets of your invention long before you ever go public. Imagine if you are a natural scientist and you have made a great natural discovery, then they can know your discovery and its location and steal it. Imagine if you are a lab research scientist, then they know your discovery of pure science too. Imagine if you're a writer, then they know your great American novel before you ever publish. Imagine if you're a software engineer, then they know your program. Imagine you have phone sex with your beloved spouse whom you haven't seen in person for a long time due to work commitments, then they listen in.

It's not right. It's immoral, unethical, illegal, and against our Constitution and our Bill of Rights.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jul 20, 2013 - 01:30am PT
If being charged with a section of the Patriot Act doesn't label you as a terrorist, not sure what would.

While they were originally arrested on a misdemeanor trespassing charge, the government kept increasing their charges as the facility's security lapses became more embarrassing.

I don't read that as suggesting as causality or motivation for the charges. Merely that they were contemporaneous occurrences (although it certainly wouldn't be the first time that government agencies have responded to embarrassment in that manner.)
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jul 22, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
http://rt.com/op-edge/manning-trial-precedent-execution-whistleblowers-347/

Manning trial sets execution precedent for future whistleblowers
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