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LqdSlvr
Trad climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Jody, just make sure you note which side of this issue I'm on so you don't smite me with your new-found powers! ;)
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Brutus of Wyde
climber
Old Climbers' Home, Oakland CA
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I go away climbing for a few days and look what I miss!
Pictures of someone who croaked, then Bill calls Werner a snake? A smooth, scaly satin satan? Picture Eve on the eve of the fall of man, in the Garden, No picture her not that's Knotty; we all watch dirtineye talk potty (the pot of dirt thrown at the end of the rainbow) Brother we are so motivated to remove your mote from the board in our own eye, aye, I owe room and board in the Burgerking sandwich shop of our minds, I raise a toast to Milk as we discover that fattrad is the elephant in the living room The bill trolls, the bell tolls; we see Karlee with hair up there, before he dipped his knoggin in Nair; the truth revealed about 46 Bear; seeing a 6-pack of Rackulated's Mac almost gave this geezer a heart attack --
I tell you this, it's good to be back.
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SlabMaster
Mountain climber
NorCal
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I'm not sure I understand. Does the variety of topics on the website prevent climbers from easy access to climbing advice, warnings, ect.? Or is it just that the forum has been co-opted unexpectedly for a social purpose? Have there been complaints about certain threads/writers? It seems to me that the position expressed in "the future of the forum" is rather like that of a parent who is angry with her child for not turning out the way she wanted. If your child grew up to have a full, rich life, but one that involved activities that you did not approve of (i.e. rock climbing), wouldn't you still be proud of them? Likewise, if this site has turned into a social forum which allows climbers to stay in touch, discuss issues, and become a more cohesive, tightly knit community, then it has value, I think.
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Sep 18, 2005 - 03:52am PT
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Chris,
One way to keep some of the "nasty" stuff out would be to grant moderator privilages to some of the more level headed and "clean" posters of the site. Trust them to help you keep it clean and positive.
of course that approach brings up other issues and drawbacks also. But if done in moderation, then moderators might not be such a bad idea to try.
tell Mitch hi for me. :)
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Sep 18, 2005 - 01:07pm PT
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yeah, I just meant Chris giving other power to wack so he didn't have to waste his time doing it himself.
wouldn't even have to tell anyone.
I too don't want to see Supertoporockclimbing.com, and I wouldn't want to moderate either.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Sep 19, 2005 - 02:20am PT
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How about this?
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Ouch!
climber
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Sep 19, 2005 - 02:47am PT
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bringmedeath
climber
la la land
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Sep 19, 2005 - 03:44am PT
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the future of this fourm seems grim... I may soon be done with it in fact. But who knows.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Ca
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Sep 19, 2005 - 11:33am PT
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I think the forum is by far the best climbing one on the net. Keep it just the way it is.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Feb 22, 2007 - 07:25am PT
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Some coward made a silent bump on this post to bring it to the top of the page. But I figured I'd reply.
This place - Supertopo - really sucks now. There is hardly any climbing stuff here any more, the pages are polluted with crap. It's kinda boring. It used to be a good place. It's not any more.
Supertopo has jumped the shark.
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joane
climber
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Feb 22, 2007 - 10:20am PT
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Gut feelings:
I haven't read through all of the posts here but as a newcomer I wanted to say it's a relief that Chris McN staffer at ST acted to discuss this issue here.
I don't read each and every thread, I select ones about climbing (mostly). I felt kind of like a sucker when I read through a lot of good comments on how to improve climbing and then hit the one with a rather unhappy looking female of some young age posing apparently without any clothes on hooked up in a harness. Feeling about as sorry for the person who posted it, wondering why, I felt even worse about how life's circumstances in our country brought someone to this point.
But really in a selfish way, I didn't want to know about it and I would not have chosen to take a look had I known what was coming up. So I think Chris' idea about giving a fair warning or just informative stuff about content might be useful. It's not too judgmental to characterize a thread with , "nudity abounds here". That way the young girl posing can be happy, the poster can feel good, and I don't have to get involved or have my visual environment impacted adversely.
I think the comments about the forum's public nature are important because not only are comments and posts public but the world wide net is public around the world. So, for example, those females already having a difficult time say somewere in the mideast about which I have read in international mags in articles on them climbing there--heavily wrapped in their robes, may find, if they do have access to this forum, that their elders were right in that climbing is for those sinners over there. (so to speak). Or just as sad, the underage or provincial kid here will see that boy we climbers sure do have some strange ideas.
And as a matter of fact it should be really evident that we do now here in our country have way too many superior moralists overseeing and intervening in some very personal areas of our lives from time to time, or with domestic surveillance and politics who knows maybe everyday. It would be nice to believe that the good will win, but I think we can see that perhaps sometimes the innocent are hurt, or become victims, and sometimes it's just plain old human nature, people make mistakes. So why have a website that just goes on to explore indiscriminately the range of humanity on what are generally acknowledged as usually uniquely private individual issues and choices.
So I don't want to have to even think about whether the young girl posing in the photo on how to improve climbing who is in a harness of some nature and without clothes on it would appear, is underage or posing against her will or whatever, I don't want to have to wonder, is there something wrong going on that I have any responsibility for either in law or morally because now it is in front of my face. I'd rather have the choice to let it go elsewhere,on some thread that says " see picture of female without clothes on hanging in harness" and let others figure out whether it is viewable or not.
Finally I gotta say, I haven't climbed out west but as a solo climbing woman venturing into remote places to climb, I'd think twice about taking a chance of meeting up with some of these kinds of characters where I don't find civilization's protections surrounding me. Sure, you always take a chance and one crummy post among so many interesting other ones is not to rule the day. But in the end why you choose to climb somewhere is based on a feeling about how likely it is that you will enjoy climbing and not find strangers who make you feel uncomfortable, or who are threatening or just plain violent. Maybe there is no problem and it is innocent fun. Maybe it's a bunch of creeps. Who knows, and why do I want to go there to find out.
I'd like to interact with other posters on climbing issues on this forum, or at least on content that I would not be ashamed to have shown by Borat. I'm not speaking from a position of purity from a high place, I'm just saying I prefer to have a choice on what pops up on my screen.
So I think Chris's ideas will make that possible.
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punjab
Trad climber
oregon
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Feb 22, 2007 - 10:57am PT
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Pete-
totally agree...seems like any time someone asks a serious climbing related question most of the replys are snide and uninformative, albeit witty and humurous. it makes for a enviornment where people, myself included are hesitant to ask questions because of the inevitable one-liners that will ensue. the amount of knowledge and experience that lurks is so great and i thank all those that are willing to share it with others.
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Feb 22, 2007 - 11:19am PT
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I always thought the Taco would have jumped the shark when the current days topic wouldn't fit on one page. (i.e. when more than 30 topics were posted on that day) Now it's approaching two pages for the days topics (approaching 60).
But so what. I can scan two pages and see if there's topics I'm interested in. I don't want to split the forum and have to check two places to see if there's topics I'm intested in.
I only care that people accurately label their topics.
The only addition I'd like to see is a form of flagging, like on Craigslist. If enough (3?) users flag a post/topic, it's deleted.
from Craigslist:
please flag with care : [miscategorized] [prohibited] [spam] [best of]
thanks for flagging (or nominating for best of)!
If you flagged by mistake - don't worry, it takes more than one flag to affect a posting.
Over 15% of all craigslist postings are removed through community flagging.
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G_Gnome
Boulder climber
Sick Midget Land
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Feb 22, 2007 - 11:40am PT
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Punjab said: 'seems like any time someone asks a serious climbing related question most of the replys are snide and uninformative, albeit witty and humurous.'
How is this any different than a day at the rocks? This is exactly how my friends treat me and each other. I think it's great that this attitude actually carries over to the net. If the question is serious it gets serious answers too.
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Tahoe climber
Trad climber
a dark-green forester out west
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Feb 22, 2007 - 12:16pm PT
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I think it's awesome that Chris's original two posts on this thread clearly outlined what the forum is intended for. Here it is, in quotes below:
"Our goal with the climbing forum is to provide a resource for climbers of all skill levels and experience to get information about climbing and climbing destinations."
"the forum was intended to be a place to share climbing info and be a resource for the climbing community"
I say, take the political BS elsewhere, and, for that matter, all the rest of the non-climbing stuff elsewhere, too.
If I want politics and bickering, I'll go to a forum intended to cover those topics. And I'd prefer to listen to people who are educated and knowledgable about it, rather than the oft-biased, polarized ranters often found here.
Though from time to time I'm guilty of being drawn into other conversations, I mainly come here for climbing info. That's it. If you have something else to share, or are interested in somethings else, I say, maybe you should go somewhere else, and stop cluttering up a privately owned web forum clearly intended for climbing related topics.
This is not a campfire; it's someone else's private property, and we're graciously allowed visitation rights for a relatively specific purpose that's pretty clearly outlined. See original posts by the owner on this very thread.
Maybe in that way, we can prune some of the blatantly irrevalent topics and more importantly, some of the petty bickering, too.
Not really trying to police the forum, here, just saying, maybe it's better used for its intended purpose and not forced into something else.
My opinion, anyway.
Thanks for reading.
Aaron
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Feb 22, 2007 - 12:29pm PT
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There's an ebb and flow to the forum that's directly related to what is occurring in the wider world. I guarantee it will pick up again as soon as something interesting happens worth a good verbal battle.
Leave the forum as is; it works. Whacking posts showing dead bodies or porn is fine with me. Most people on ST are mature enough to draw a line for themselves as to what is appropriate. A few seem to have difficulty in doing so. Those should be admonished and dumped if they continue to abuse.
On the other hand, how about a separate forum for the subject of Cats.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Feb 22, 2007 - 12:41pm PT
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There's an ebb and flow to the forum that's directly related to what is occurring in the wider world.
Like winter? I was hoping that maybe the climbing content would pick up as weather improved in more non-SoCal backyards.
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Feb 22, 2007 - 12:52pm PT
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Climbing is the common thread that brings us here, but if it was all climbing, it would be pretty boring. Climbing's great, but there's a lot more to life.
It's interesting to click on the recent posts in people's profiles. CMac's posts are about 40% on climbing topics. As are mine. The people who say they want only climbing topics that I've checked are up to 60% climbing.
Ignore the inane posters and topics, you know who they are.
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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Feb 22, 2007 - 01:23pm PT
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hmmm
as someone that prolly posts more non-climbing than climbing, this does give pause for thought...
i'm gonna try
1) climb more. take pics. post the TR
2) nuke some of the non - climbing threads i started once the point has been made
3) bump for climbing. bump for other cool threads. bump more for climbing...
4) learn to ignore some of the other stuff
that's all i can do...
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