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MisterE
Trad climber
One Step Beyond!
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Yes, yes. It's a focking drag what happened - now we all can slap some bumper stickers on and feel like we "relate":
Except it's not Chief Seattle - it's Chief Sealth - whoops! Maybe some bad cursive by a messenger of the new States? Whatever, Dude!
Oh well - my empathy lies on the rear protection device of my SUV
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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While I agree that our country has done and continues to do many things that are morally reprehensible it is at the same time quite ridiculous to pretend that is all that we have done. Additionally, it is how most of us on this forum have gotten where we are for better or for worse. I do not think it is "retrohistorical" to look back and identify what we did wrong in the past, but it is also counterproductive when that is ALL we are willing to look at.
At the very least, America is the worst country on Earth.....except for all the others. Perhaps we can begin to celebrate those things that brought us all here as Americans while acknowledging the wrongdoings of the past without the cynicism and snarkyness that we all know and love.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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I have (documented) 1/16th Cherokee in my blood (must have been that blood transfusion when I was hit by a car when I was ten).
Every time I watch (a handful of times) Mississippi Burning, I get pissed off. How can humans be treated like that. Or even the film In The Heat of The Night, to name just another film.
I just saw a heartwarming movie called "Something The Lord Made" about how Vivien Thomas contributed to the advancement of heart surgery, even though he was discriminated against at times.
In first and second grade at St Francis de Sales Catholic school in Oakland, the three musketeers were Jesse (Hispanic-American), Anthony (African-America) and myself (European-American). I can only thank my late mother that she brought me up 'color blind'.
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BTW, for you bigots out there on the Taco Stand (and you are there), this is not an anti-American rant. I realize that there is ethnic (not racial, what a misnomer as we are all Homo Sapien Sapiens, the same race) discrimination in many lands/countries.
But seeing as how I am an American, I feel I can comment on my own country, even if I do not live there at present.
What is the Biblical saying about a plank in one's own eye? Perhaps some of you should consider looking at the New Testament. As for me, I'm an atheist, but I realize that the NT has some sound truths in it.
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Blitzo
Social climber
Earth
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Good morning! Is this still going on?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Rash = Onyx
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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the earth is about to kick our ass.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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bluering, I don't like to insult people on this site, but you are rather ignorant of the facts
Really, maybe you can educate me so I'm not as stupid anymore. Which facts am I ignorant of, since you seem to know me so well?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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Ring !
can you get loose today?
i'm ready to bail.
screw all this politic bs.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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maybe....
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WBraun
climber
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bluering, .... ignorant does not mean stupid.
Ignorant = poor fund of knowledge
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mr Braun, you're correct of course, but my question still stands.
Nobody ever answers my questions here, just spew that I'm insensitive and ignorant with a couple of right-wingers thrown in.
L had the best post so far.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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that is correct.
stupid is when you run a stop sign, get t-boned, then get out of the hospital, run a stop sign, get t-boned, get out of the hospital..,
now that's stupid.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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hey, monopoly requires at least 2 players, but is more fun with 7.
get me?
can you imagine Springer with Alan Greenspan and Alan Greenspan?
snooze-o-matic.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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bluering your questions get answered all the time. Unfortunately, like so many before you, you generally only read the posts with personal attacks in them, and on the occasion you stray into others you have a tendency to add some negativity of your own.
Jody was famous for this. He'd read nothing unless the post started with "Jody you're an idiot." I can't count how many substantive posts I have written in response to you or him only to see them ignored in favor of a response to a derisive post after mine.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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L, are you telling me that we pay to educate illegal aliens in public schools but have not enough fed/state dollars to educate kids on reservations? And treat the same peeps in emergency rooms yet ignore reservations?
If so, that's f*#ked up!
Is it because reservations are autonomous in the sense that the fed/state has no jurisdiction, and as a result, no way to commit money? Really, serious question.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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somtimes reality is different from the written word.
you back up the indians, then you see them leaving dying salmon in the gil nets because they are on a three day bender, but you can't fish, because you are not a native?
or the cars we buy them that end up in the ditch on the rez, it's always a jeep cherokee, or a pontiac sunbird, or a cherokee chief, never a siverado.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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HDDJ, wes, and nodoby else chose to answer my 'what if we never came here' scenario.
And Oli only vaguely answered my 'what do they want' question.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Bluering said - "Is it because reservations are autonomous in the sense that the fed/state has no jurisdiction, and as a result, no way to commit money? Really, serious question. "
That's patently false.
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