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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Jun 25, 2010 - 01:21pm PT
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not to self, don't ride in Jeep with Dingus, due to stolen Pele rocks.
;)
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Jun 25, 2010 - 01:28pm PT
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I spent a summer in Volcanoes Park doing geophysical surveying for geothermal, tromping miles and miles over that stuff with a backpack and our equipment. I can tell you for sure that it is ILLEGAL to remove that stuff from the park. That being said, I brought home some of Pele's hair and tears that I have sitting right here on my desk.
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Lasti
Trad climber
Budapest
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Jun 25, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
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Survival,
A bit OT but what the heck.
I reckon the restriction on our little basalt crack-haven has something to do with loose rock or the national park thinking climbers aren't the haute couture in cliff accessories (tourons might think we are ugly?).
Sadly we have serious access issues here in Hungary, way disproportionate over-restrictive policies towards climbers. Not far from this basalt cliff there is a nice set (just a few) of Fontainebleauesque sandstone boulders that could be the highpoint of any boulderer's Eastern European trip. Off-limits of course, because climbers devastate the landscape. Never mind the throngs of tourists passing through, 'petroglyphing' and littering there daily. Of course right now prominent Hungarian climbers are more interested in pointing fingers and fixing the blame of how we got to this juncture than in trying to mediate between the climbing community and authorities. It is a truly sordid state of affairs, especially taking into account the relative paucity of climbable rock in the county in the first place.
Lasti
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vlani
Trad climber
mountain view, ca
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Jun 25, 2010 - 11:23pm PT
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Yes my pic is from the Owens, upper gorge I think is is called in the guide. There is a climb at that formation, don't rememmber the name. There are more formations like that, but I think this one is the largest fan in there.
Don't know much about the geology :)
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 25, 2010 - 11:51pm PT
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I have made the White jeep pilgramege, and almost no one was killed...
I believe Missouri Buttes are a Phonolyte porphyry, like the tower, but mebbe not.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jun 26, 2010 - 12:08am PT
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vlani - cool! I love the gorge. And to me it's easy to see why it might be thought of as bahsalt (where's my sheep?). It makes me happy that I can recognize the climbing area with such a non-descript photo.
the one thing I note in ORG is that the columns are sorta rose-flower shaped. they are not the typical columnar columns. Also, what is even more interesting is the columns forum on the surface of the formation rather than interior. I hypothesize it's due to degassing within the tepha deposit. who know? It's fun to arm wave over though!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 26, 2010 - 02:13pm PT
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ah, dingus, nature, i knew there was a debate in here somewhere. c'mon, don't be lazy, pull out the reference.
what a woman ... what a hotspot.
italians, always tuned in towards the tourist buck, do a variation of this on mt. stromboli. they grab wads of the molten stuff and shape it into little statuettes with tongs and pliers. they sell quite well.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 26, 2010 - 02:16pm PT
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ah, dingus, nature, i knew there was a debate in here somewhere. c'mon, don't be lazy, pull out the reference.
what a woman up there--what a hotspot!
italians, always tuned in on the tourist buck, do a variation of this on mt. stromboli. they grab wads of the molten stuff and shape it into little statuettes with tongs and pliers. they sell quite well.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jun 26, 2010 - 03:09pm PT
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debate?
reference?
what do you need references for? I'm happy to provide any/all.
and what's the debate? I love this stuff but right now I don't see anyone offering a difference of opinion on anything.
(I should have a M.S. in Geology from Humboldt State - did everything but finish writing my thesis - which was done in Owens Valley)
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BooDawg
Social climber
Paradise Island
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Jun 27, 2010 - 06:27am PT
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Yes, DMT; I DO know that many native Hawaiians and others as well believe it's bad luck and, more importantly disrespectful, to take lava from Pele's realm.
Somewhat older than the basalts on Hawaii Island are those that erupted near Toroweap Valley in western Grand Canyon and flowed down into the Canyon many times, damming the river and creating a series of lakes that were each eroded away between eruptions. Today the most exciting rapid on the Grand Canyon is Lava Falls where the river is still removing the remnants of the last eruption. These eruptions are all less than a million years old.
The Cardenas Lavas and the basaltic sill at Hance Rapid both have radiometric ages of about 1.09 billion years.
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Acer
Big Wall climber
AZ
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Jul 14, 2010 - 02:35am PT
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