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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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yo locker-
i was with you there for a minute pal...
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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L O MF L
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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"Because I am ALSO pretty sure that you ALL do in fact...
CARE...
Just TOO BAD that you're NOT doing it...
HERE and NOW..."
Locker, well said!
LEB, you have NO clue.
Yeah I know SHOVE it
Three CHEERS FOR THE WOODY CHECK!
I am TRYING to WEAR out MY shift KEY but IT keeps Popping BACK up. LOCKER what SHOULD i DO about MY shift KEY, I keep TRYING to WEAR it OUT but IT just WONT!
IS this WHAT giving YOUR keyboard VIAGRA does?
EDIT: And WHAT does DOG the DOG have TO do WITH any OF this?
EDIT 2: WOW ronbo AND i AGREE on SOMETHING
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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WHAT is THE glass THING on TOP of THAT contarption FOR?
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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LOCKER, no APOLOGY needed, I am SECURE in MY orientation.
I think IM going TO bomb THIS thread IF you DONT.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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I think IM getting SNAIL eye IM so SCARED
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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YOU can JUST start POSTING tons OF stuff THAT takes UP tons of SPACE with WORDS or LOTS of HUGE photos.
We COULD work TOGETHER if YOU like.
EDIT: DAMN straight DWAIN!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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I think I'm gonna download a boatload of old Jerry Springer shows to watch to come down off of reading all of this.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Onyx,
there is no contradiction.
The hubub I referred to was the impatience over detail disclosure.
I still think that Woody would like the idea of his name being associated with a tactic that can save lives, but I got an email from someone named Greg Huey (didn't sign with his taco name) taking issue.
The funny thing is;
then he went on to quote somebody else's post and attribute it to me.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Wow, that shur did spiraL Down hill after I signed off last night...
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Prod
Trad climber
A place w/o Avitars apparently
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A few of you have issues, actually change that, a few of you are rational, the rest have issues. You should be dealing with those issues before you or someone else gets hurt.
Prod.
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BillL
Trad climber
NM
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"this thread is just further evidence of the deterioration of the "coolness" factor around here- used to be petty darn diff. from that other forum, now not so much. "
Perhaps we are more the same than we think forum-to-forum as well as on the 'sides' in this thread: human.
Bill
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wbw
climber
'cross the great divide
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"this thread is just further evidence of the deterioration of the "coolness" factor around here- used to be petty darn diff. from that other forum, now not so much."
Yes, BillL that quote caught my attention, too. Isn't the guy that wrote that, one of the folks ripping on the poor guy who fell on the Designator? Why is it considered acceptable on this forum to rip on a guy that almost died, but actually survived to possibly read what people are saying about his mistake? Is it because he is not from CA and not a part of the "club", or is it just because that situation is not as close to home for some of you as the JT accident was?
What's so cool about that, Matt??
Woody is obviously a revered figure on ST and in CA, and his memory deserves respect. But some of you folks act like you're the only ones who have ever lost a close friend in a climbing accident. Locker, I've been there before and I sincerely hope that the sense of loss that you and Woody's friends/family are feeling will be placed into proper perspective over time. However, I *really* do not understand your display of grief that you have made on ST.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Oh boy, if this thread was already going sideways, now it's headed backwards!
Locker strangles LEB? Maybe some good can come of this yet.
Check the Locker! Make sure he's locked and loaded!
;-)
Karl
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mim wrote:
"There's still a chance that the grassy knoll figures into this.
The facts are known to those that need to know. Are people on this silly forum on a need to know basis?
Obviously, nothing new or mysterious happened here. So what's the rush? What's the harm of a respectful delay? "
OK, I don't mean anything bad by this Mimi, and I did NOT read the interveneing 170 or so postes between here and the beginning, and won't, but your idea is way off base.
Fisrt, all climbers have an vested interest in how and why a climbing death occurs. that has nothign to do with respect or lack of it. I am POSITIVE Woody would want people to find out WHY, and I aam equally positive that he would want everyone to learn from teh experience.
As for who am I to speak on this, not that that matters after what I jsut wrote, I am a (well was) a climber, rescue trained, WFR trained, and I know at least one of woody's clinbg acquaintances pretty well, and some closer ones a little.
Now, can someone point me to the details, someone who KNOWS, or should I get em from my pal, who probably has probably had time by now to find out the real deal from those who know?
And this all came home to me in a different way when I accidentaly loaded the first page of "best wishes to Dirtineye", and right there, SECOND POST IN THE THREAD, was this:
Author:
WoodySt
Trad climber
From: Riverside
Best wishes to Dirtineye. I've seen a couple of friends go through what he's suffering, and he's got my sympathy.
Jeseus fvcking christ, you really do NEVER KNOW when your time is up. I would have bet my life that woody (And every one else here for that matter) would outlive me. and there he is, lending me support, RIGHT BEFORE HIS OWN DEATH.
Damn that shakes me.
WOody adn I had very sharp political differences, and we made no bones about it. but he could still wish me well. Hell that's how climber ARE. I can't tell you how different some of my FAVORITE partners and I are politically, to the point of cursing each other LOL, and yet, we climb together and respect each other's ability in climbing very well.
A strange game is climbing.
I will stop now, before I ramble too much, but I hope I made my point. Bye woody, too bad we never met. I bet you were a hell of a guy.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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PS, Regarding LEB's offense at the "Woody Check"
I agree that she doesn't have a clue, not being a climber. Using the idea "Woody check" would add this memorable element to the safety check. It's funny so we'd remember to do it, and it would keep the Woody memory closer to the surface as well. Woody would certainly be able to take it.
PEace
Karl
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WBraun
climber
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Locker she gets it very clear. You're just being a stupid fuking moron as usual.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
canyon country,CA
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Locker's definitely going to ride his 15 minutes of fame for all it's worth, then it's back to the glue shed...in summer.
Sounds like a simple mistake, maybe didn't clip the anchors or something similar. As he indicated complacency can be deadly.
Anyway, has anyone set up a fund for a plaque or some other dedication to Woody?(other than to the family). Something to honor his contribution to the Park? Sorry if I missed it, please direct me.
P.S. super windy in the Park friday afternoon.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Whatever Locker is clear or unclear about, I trust him to have an idea of what woody would find acceptable or disrespectful
PEace
Karl
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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He wrote: "John, from a climbing perspective I am KNOTT worthy to clean your shoes. But I do not undestand your point. People are hurting, the lesson should be obvious. Let it rest. Peace."
My point all along is that human nature being what it is, this will not rest, now or ever, till the truth is fully discolsed. Blame me and others if you want - it will not help. Twenty one days have passed. By any professional standards, this is a swufficient grace period. The "hurting" can only get further strung out. Get it out and over with. This thread is starting to get ugly and it's no one's "fault." The Truth has it's own agenda.
JL
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