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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 28, 2008 - 07:15pm PT
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Now stop all this nonsense and go read my Black Canyon & Red Rock climbing threads.
Then you can tell me how ignorant and illiterate I am on those threads as well.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dec 28, 2008 - 07:25pm PT
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Maybe, philo, but the Islamists (not the Zionists) seem to be the more intolerant and unreasonable based on what I've seen fron that region.
Seems the Zionists are less likely to nail-bomb discos and send handicapped children laden with bombs into checkpoints.
Iran, and to a lesser extent, Syria, is the true wicked entity here. The Paleos and Lebanese would do themselves a favor by disassociating themselves from them.
Iran is the key...
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 28, 2008 - 07:25pm PT
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Skip declares those rockets a war crime, and perhaps they are, even though they kill few to none.
How about the same treatment for Israels unnecessary use of cluster bombs in Lebanon (invaded after 2 or 3 soldiers were captured) that the UN condemned and which were used around civilians and which continue to kill more kids than the sum total of all Palestinian terrorism.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5299938.stm
"The UN's humanitarian chief has accused Israel of "completely immoral" use of cluster bombs in Lebanon.
UN clearance experts had so far found 100,000 unexploded cluster bomblets at 359 separate sites, Jan Egeland said."
"What's shocking and completely immoral is: 90% of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution," he said.
Each of those bomblets are more dangerous than a rocket and continue to regularly kill civilian children
Lots of great people in Israel and many of them are more critical of their own country than the folks on this thread who see black and white where it doesn't exist.
Peace
karl
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 28, 2008 - 07:35pm PT
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"Maybe, philo, but the Islamists (not the Zionists) seem to be the more intolerant and unreasonable based on what I've seen fron that region".
That is because you have not seen what really goes on in the occupied territories on a daily basis.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dec 28, 2008 - 07:45pm PT
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That is because you have not seen what really goes on in the occupied territories on a daily basis.
Same old tired bullsh#t. This is all I hear from people like you. The Israelis didn't break the ceasefire by rocket attacks, nor did they start the 2006 campaign in Lebanon and Gaza. IT'S ALWAYS THOSE POOR PALESTINIANS THAT START UP THE SH#T!!! I, like Israel, am tired of brokered peace that always fails because Hamas and Fatah leaders only want blood and power. They will be removed one way or another.
Then the Palestinians may have peace (as long as though they don't vote for Iran-influenced gov't).
Again, Iran is the problem. Iran may attacked very soon.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 28, 2008 - 07:59pm PT
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"Same old tired bullsh#t. This is all I hear from people like you. The Israelis didn't break the ceasefire by rocket attacks"
No they broke it by daily violence against the Palestinians in the illegally occupied territories. The number of Palestinian citizens (mostly women and children) who have died at the hands of Israelis during the ceasefire vastly outnumbers the number of Israeli dead from all rocket attacks combined.
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Lafta
climber
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Dec 28, 2008 - 08:07pm PT
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Hamas was *established* by Israel.
This latest incident is all part of their plan.
That being...the eventual new world order.
Again, if world leaders speak of a new world order, do you not think it will someday be?
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=complete+idiot%27s+guide+to+the+NWO&hl=en&emb=0&aq=1#
Go on! Click the link! Or does that of which I speak, scare you?
I remember long ago speaking of a common currency for Europe and those hearing this would say---no way, never.
Well it's here. Why would you deny this could ever happen in North America?
They gave us this culture of cosumerism.
Now they are changing it to earth worship.
Obama will change nothing. Look to more war.
Do you recall,during his campaign saying he was against NAFTA?
Funny is it not, he has since reneged?
The Iraq war costs 250 million a day. Where do you think this money is coming from?
You are being programed/modified.
Not only that, we're being sterilized. So keep on eating those soy products. Rolling eyes icon.
Wake up!
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dec 28, 2008 - 08:22pm PT
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"No they broke it by daily violence against the Palestinians in the illegally occupied territories."
This is where we disagree, philo. Israelis don't launch random missiles daily, they just subject the poor Paleo to checkpoints. The have roadblocks for a reason. The paleos didn't bring it on, Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad, and the Pop Front brought this to the people of Palestine, NOT ISRAEL. ISRAEL JUST FIGHTS BACK!
Hopefully this time Israel eliminates Hamas once and for all. IJ is already kinda marginal. Maybe Fatah can do better in power with Hamas removed.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 28, 2008 - 08:26pm PT
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You are misinformed blue.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dec 28, 2008 - 08:27pm PT
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Lafta, what is a good course of action to take against the NWO?
Do you have any ideas to offer, beacuse you come off like a complete conspiracy quack otherwise? Everyone knows about the Illuminati, Free Masons, and the Bildeburgers.
WTF do you suggest?
Stop with the indirect quackery and f*#king propose something!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dec 28, 2008 - 08:37pm PT
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"You are misinformed blue."
Am I really? Look at the facts and re-evaulate that.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Dec 28, 2008 - 08:50pm PT
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"Go Israel!"
Juan
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 28, 2008 - 08:58pm PT
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I have looked at the fact Blue. You ignore anything that paints Israel in a bad light.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 28, 2008 - 09:09pm PT
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How many videos of Israelis bulldozing houses will you need to see?
How many stories of Israeli snipers shooting kids will you need to hear?
How many stories of Israeli settlers beating up Palistinians will you need to hear?
How many times will you need to hear that Israel was created by stealing Palistinian lands
Before you realize that the Israelis ARE NOT INNOCENT.
Or course, Neither are the Palistinians. I KNOW THIS. PHILO KNOWS THIS. KARL KNOWS THIS. When will you get it through your thick skull.
VENGEANCE DOES NOT WORK.
It doesn't work for the Palistinians and it doesn't work for the Israelis.
Who shot first? WHO THE HECK KNOWS?
But hey, according to you, all the Palistinians need to do is stop firing rockets.
Bullsh#t.
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scabang
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2008 - 09:46pm PT
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Fattrad - i assume by your name that you haven't a snowballs hope in Hell of getting up 10.96. That said and the niceties over you are a prick/wanker/tosser of the highest order. AIPAC. ADL. I think a separate thread is warranted here as these two Nazi organizations are the reason for genocide in the West Bank & Gaza. Settlers? Nuke 'em all the despicable occupying, thieving BASTARDS!!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 28, 2008 - 11:08pm PT
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"Now, the one during WWII could have done more and the ones during the the Christian conquests should have done much less.
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Fatty's just being politic. The Catholic church and pope in particular gave into the Nazis during WW2 more than any Palestinians. Course they had more power to do so.
Just the way it was
Peace
karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 28, 2008 - 11:43pm PT
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Every religion has elements with blood on it's hands. Catholicism has the crusades, inquisition, and collaboration with Nazi. Hinduism has violence during partition. Or course Islam has got a long list of issues.
I'm not judging bro. We're humans and the Pope is not infallible.
Peace
karl
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dec 29, 2008 - 01:54am PT
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Much of my mother's family lived in Lebanon, until it was torn apart by civil war that was an outgrowth of the Arab-Israeli conflict, in which I hold the Israeli government as responsible as the Palestinians. I still have one first cousin in Beirut. I have no reason to support Israel, but the incivility of the anti-Israeli comments on this thread sickens me.
Of course there are two sides to this story, and I have often had more sympathy for the Palestinians than for the Israeli government (and sometimes, sad to say, its people) on many issues, but Israel was established by the world community, given the right to exist, threatened violently by its neighbors (except, of course, Lebanon!), and attacked with illegal deadly force continually.
In that circumstance, your calling the Israelis Nazis because they fight back, scabang, and your vitriolic, hate-mongering words I can only hold in contempt. Your comments aren't designed to foster debate; they only betray a seething, tormented, mind incapable of tolerating those with whom you disagree. That's rather like what you accuse the Israelis of doing.
Cut it out!
John
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Dec 29, 2008 - 02:34am PT
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Laser Guided Bombs made in America, F-16 Fighting Falcons.
AH-64, Helfire.
Like it has been said before - Palestinians are just pawns.
Keep up the good work Isreal.
God Bless and protect the Jews.
Juan
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 29, 2008 - 05:22am PT
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For those who need a refresh map of where the dumbest peeps on earth reside:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/gaza_strip_may_2005.jpg
got to wonder if their DNA is warped. The Gaza is the best real estate on the globe and hamas has made it a ghetto. Not my choice
or anyone else's for a vacation. Idiots could be pulling in billions just like Hawaii or Cancun.
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