Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
raymond phule
climber
|
|
loise wrote
"Take a lesson from dirtbag, one of the wisest and smartest men on this entire forum."
Yes, listen to dirtbag and ignore LEB.
dirtbag wrote
"HDDJ, Lois is willfully ignorant. I don't even bother anymore"
|
|
nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
|
|
don't ya'll find yourself feeling a little less smart after engaging Lowest in conversation?
Largo raises some excellent questions. Address them, eh?
|
|
John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
|
|
Thank you Lois.
I would encourage you to go back over this thread and try to find one spot where High has attacked Palin personally. He didn't say anything like "she is ugly". Certainly he has attacked her intelligence. I think that intelligence level should be exposed. I'm tired of good ol boy politicians that barely made it through college and who may have a certain street charm, but lack any depth. Palin lacks depth. She exposed it in her interviews. High exposed that. That is not personal. That is germane to the issue of whether she is qualified to be President.
|
|
Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
|
|
JM wrote:
"Belittling it is simply not enough"
on that much, we can all agree!
lowest-
i for one love that you are such a palin fan.
makes perfect sense to me, and i see no need for further discussion on the matter.
obviously i am pleased (as are many) that the rest of PA didn't see things your way.
noiw why not run off to a knitting forum or a joe-the-plumber worship circle and come back and bug in a few years?
thanks toots.
and btw- the palin skewering by the national media has not even begun to begin, or to put it in john mccain's words, "we are at the beginning of the beginning of this..."
EDIT-
oh yeah- and for the record- chaz is a total piece of sh#t.
you just like him because (not unlike you) he is happy to have his various appendages up his asses' asses. if we have learned anything from you over the years it's that your vouching for someone or something is more of a strike against them than the opposite.
|
|
Wonder
climber
WA
|
|
" my aunt told me that she heard today that trig the baby was actualy bristols, but i haven't found that anywhere... "
Thats been debunked BUT there's plenty of photos of her doing some heavy underage drinking and some not so very conservative stuff.
|
|
wbw
climber
'cross the great divide
|
|
"You won't find a more politically astute man than he is but he remains in control and civil always."
Well hats off to Dirt, but sometimes being uncivil is very appropriate. In addition to her complete stupidity and lack of awareness of anything, what really annoyed me about Palin was the way she mocked Obama in her speech at the Republican convention for his being a former community organizer. As if her responsibilities when she was mayor of a teeny-weeny town in Alaska were something to brag about to a national audience . . . What an f'in clueless bitch!
Presidential contender in '12?? Those of us that are moderates can only hope the Repubs. will make the Palin mistake twice.
|
|
John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
|
|
Edited out because I think this should not be talked about here and I think there are important issues that do need to be discussed.
Lois, if you want to know anything about what I wrote, then email me.
|
|
klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
|
|
Honestly, I'm concerned Lois is having a nervous breakdown, and the election was the breaking point. I hope that she seeks some professional help soon. Medication, rest, and a caring environment is what she needs. It's just sad to watch this unfold here.
|
|
graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
|
|
"Palin is very "good people" and (like all people) she has flaws. Everyone has flaws. She is not stupid and she is not brainless. I am not stupid either and I thought "air ride" meant that the packages floated around in the trailer on air."
LEB, as long as you are a nurse and not applying to work as a truck driver, you don't need to know what "air ride" means. But if you told us that you were a truck driver and thought this, I would think that you were not qualifed for that job. But as a nurse, knowing what "air ride" means is just "trivia."
Similarly, as a hockey mom or as mayor of Wasilla, it didn't matter if Palin did not know that Africa was a continent, not a country, or that she didn't know what NAFTA was. But her lack of knowledge on these issues does raise doubt as to whether she was qualified to be the GOP's nominee for Vice President.
|
|
Jim E
climber
|
|
LEB, What are you getting out of defending Palin?
|
|
survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
|
|
I just want to know why a sharp guy like Largo didn't know that the spelling was Palin?
|
|
Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2008 - 03:57pm PT
|
I sort of wished I never sarted this thread. This kind of thing ends up a circle jerk every time. To me the important thing is not Paulin at all - let her live her life, and those that like her as a potential national leader, so be it.
But where does that leave us? Where to now that Paulin and McCain are totally out of the picture? What is most constructive for the most of us?
JL
|
|
Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
|
|
actually the "air-ride" package story is telling.
you see, it would never occur to lowest that there would have to be a magical cost effective system for floating a bunch of packages on air in every van, and a way to keep all the packages from bouncing all over the van after they've lost frictions grip on the floor or shelf, etc.
same as palin assumed she could just "have that readiness to serve" and her complete lack of any fundamental understanding of almost everything would be insignificant.
i'm sure she was just as ill prepared to be the gov. of AK, and she has faked her way well enough through that, or so it seems. you have to wonder if she is just eager to run away from some huge mess she has ceated there...
|
|
jstan
climber
|
|
John:
This is a little different from your original post but OK.
There are people here with enough knowledge to discuss what is best for us to do now. Not myself though.
Economy
1. How far should we carry this bailing out process?
2. How are we to handle all the debt that is created in the short term by the bailout. When we get whatever we can out of the purchased assets we will realize something, but in the short term we are going to have to sell a lot of Federal debt.
3. Are we all ready to pay more taxes? The necessity has been entirely built-in. How should the new taxes be levied?
Wars
1. Some military planners are saying more troops in Afghanistan won't work. The terrain is too uneven, adversaries everywhere, and distances too large to permit occupation. Guerrilla strikes, like our drone missile attacks in Pakistan and now Syria are more cost effective. We are loosing allies right and left this way, however. Should we go ahead and just make more enemies?
2. Russia, reluctantly it appears, is moving closer to a direct confrontation with us. Missiles will be placed to offset the missiles George wants to place in Poland. Do we go ahead and do the Cuba missile crisis all over again?
3. What if Syria asks Russia to help defend their borders against our attacks on Syrian territory? Are we going to stop attacking Syria?
4. With the election Venezuela's Chavez has expressed interest in improving his country's relations with the US. Should we just go ahead and punish him since he has been talking to Medvedev and Russian bombers have been visiting Venezuela?
5. N. Korean children are sufficiently short of food that they are not attaining normal growth. Should we continue blacklisting N. Korea until they surrender to whatever it is we want? Make them trust us.
That ought to hold us for an hour.
|
|
Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
|
|
Largo, have your read about the "loising Point"
We've reached it. You are feeling the symptoms.
"Meanwhile Chaz leads a good and honorable life (close to the earth) and is very self-sufficient with lots of wonderful animals. "
Did you see the threads this month where Chaz posted a utube showing that his wonderful animals make a huge racket every morning and he plans on rasiing the rent on his low income rentals for every buck the government might give them in "stimulus?" Not saying Chaz is bad, cause we all have our stuff.
Peace
karl
|
|
Jim E
climber
|
|
edit: this is a reply to jstan's post but not necessarily to jstan. just rhetorical i guess.
Maybe I'm just slow, OK, well probably, but I had a little epiphany the other day. Other countries are holding US debt, yes? Those same countries did not want us to invade Iraq, correct? So then aren't they in affect funding that war and occupation?
Who are the missiles in Poland and Czech Republic supposed to be protecting us from? If Russia is an ally of sorts then why aren't we partnering with them on this rather than agitating them? If I'm not mistaken the missile systems GWB wants to put in Poland and Czech Republic are not meant to be pointed at or protecting us and our allies from Russia but some other as yet unnamed enemy. Are there countries in the ME that have ICBM's?
|
|
nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
|
|
Hey John... I don't mean to nitpick but why do you keep spelling it "Paulin" - there's no "u". just wonderin'....
Where do we go?
Blue started a thread this morning that I thought was spot on:
restoring Conservatism(ot)
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=717029
He's got the right idea. The ideals of the fundamental religious right is outdated in our society. it seems they are in bed with the neocons. restoring conservatism and the republican party to what it once was would be an enormous step towards progress.
To me Palin represents the hopes of the neocons and religious right. IF she is selected as their next leader than true conservatism (and the republican party as we use to know it) will be dealt its final nail in the coffin. In a certain sense coming from the left that wouldn't be a bad thing in the short term.
Society as a whole is moving more left of center leaving the religious right and the Palin's of this world even more fringe.
No, we need a left and a right that shares enough of the same ideals so that reaching across the isle is a viable tactic. That the left is more conservative at present than the right should speak volumes.
|
|
Jim E
climber
|
|
"No, we need a left and a right that shares enough of the same ideals so that reaching across the isle is a viable tactic."
This is so very true. As much as I'd like to have everything go the way I think it should be, it would probably all go bad in the end. Checks and balances, checks and balances.
|
|
jstan
climber
|
|
Good questions:
"Other countries are holding US debt, yes? Those same countries did not want us to invade Iraq, correct? So then aren't they in affect funding that war and occupation?"
Yes. They are funding the war to the same extent a bank is funding my bombs when I take a loan from the bank and use it to buy C4. A substantial portion of the US debt held by sovereign wealth funds was bought by dollars left in their hands because of our long-standing current accounts deficit. If they had not bought that debt it would have been much more apparent that the world was awash in dollars, the value of the dollar would have dropped, and interest rates presumably would have risen thereby depressing economic activity in the US. Under these conditions we would not have been able to buy quite as many large screen TV's abroad.
"Who are the missiles in Poland and Czech Republic supposed to be protecting us from? If Russia is an ally of sorts then why aren't we partnering with them on this rather than agitating them? If I'm not mistaken the missile systems GWB wants to put in Poland and Czech Republic are not meant to be pointed at or protecting us and our allies from Russia but some other as yet unnamed enemy. Are there countries in the ME that have ICBM's?"
The missiles we place in Poland will be programmed with 1's and 0's, none of which will ever be seen by the Russians. They of course can trust us implicitly as we are never the aggressor. We are saying they will be defending Poland(?) against Iran(?) or anyone else who is an aggressor. I believe Iran does have a missile though I don't know the range. Could be wrong.
Our government has never misled anyone as it always does exactly what it claims it is doing. So, Yes. Russia is an ally, of sorts. They just are not as sure as are we.
|
|
divad
Trad climber
wmass
|
|
Lois, looking through all her trees, still can't see the forest.
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!