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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Jun 13, 2008 - 03:23pm PT
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and that it's radioactive (at low levels but in micro-inhaleable levels) for millions of years.
Karl you are so full of crap your eyes must be brown:
http://www.ccnr.org/decay_U238.html
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Jun 13, 2008 - 03:54pm PT
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Just trying to keep some facts in here. When a guy is off by 1000X+, you'ze just gots to call him on it.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 13, 2008 - 03:58pm PT
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Hey Russ
I'm full of crap but I don't see where your link show me any crappier than I already know. (ps, when's the sh#t-talker's convention?)
Steve's link gives some good info.
Where's the "Support our Troops" crowd when it comes to protecting them from being poisoned by our own weapons? (the poison of which we don't really need to use cause we have such military superiority to start with)
You'd think after Agent Orange and Gulf War Syndrome that ya'll would trust the official government line (everything is safe and OK) a little less. Don't conservative believe in not blindly trusting government?
Funny how the troops are heros when they are out fighting for our government's lies and greed but once they come back sick and maimed, all of a sudden they are welfare sucking parasites on our system in the eyes of those same people.
More shame
peace
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 13, 2008 - 04:01pm PT
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Edit: Russ, I was aware, actually, that the DU is radioactive for 4 billion years or so but just toned it down a bit to be well within anybody's idea of how long the stuff is radioactive.
After all, if the human race is even around a million years from now, I assume we'll have transcended the violence and destructive crap we're up to now.
Military technology and DNA biotechnology is almost to the point now where if Humans don't find a way to make peace with each other, we're doomed within a few decades as any country will have access to cheap and deadly bioweapons that could kill us all.
There is no option. We have to wake up or die.
Peace
karl
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jun 13, 2008 - 08:12pm PT
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Wow, it’s amazing how easy it is to evoke such tremendous emotion from something as simple as a series of war photos. And I didn’t even post any blood. What is more amazing is how some of you choose to take this to a different level… a level of personal threats and bringing my family into something that has nothing to do with them. Oh well, what more would I expect when dealing with humans. Maybe some of you “liberals” are not as peaceful as you think you are… or maybe you are just human, like all of the rest of us.
I’ll be back… when I have more time.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Jun 13, 2008 - 10:04pm PT
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it wasn't the photos you posted, but your own words that made an ass of you, for all the world to see, liberal and conservative alike. the one guy that posted about you being some sort of trust funder may just as easily have been a well traveled conservative- an interest in the lives of others is not something upon which liberals have a monopoly, just ask the little girl from china that fatty adopted.
edit-
btw, looking back at this thread, it doesn't seem that anyone's reaction (mine included) upset you until your TF status was outed, LOL, mr. gilette!
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Jun 14, 2008 - 05:48am PT
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Kev my good friend, for the consideration of all.....
If I had written something about how this thread troubles me on a climber's forum, you would have seen the words in the first part of this sentence, written by me.
But you did not see those words written by me. They were written by you. I said (wrote) "Love it. Thanks for this one."
I thoroughly enjoy the unfettered diversity of comments by climbers on SuperTopo, especially the war stuff since I once displayed the zenith of abject stupidity by being a US Army airborne ranger aviator infantry officer in Vietnam.
Humans are capable of learning how primitive they are, much to their inordinate amusement. Would you not agree?
Unlike the vast majority of Americans, the words I use hold their meanings. Therefore they are rarely understood by people who train their minds to use words in constant contradiction to their meanings, like George Bush creating peace and security by starting wars, and sincerely believing himself, or Kev suggesting that I am troubled by what I state that I enjoy.
Easily advance your knowledge beyond the other guy. You train your mind by the words you use, by design. Start practicing using words that hold their meanings. This means you will find yourself often correcting your hastily worded statements. Do so. You do not care about the other guy. He must learn on his own. Your goal is to train your own mind to discover advanced knowledge by recognizing from accurate statements what fools do not learn because they rarely invest the time to form accurate statements.
Now I gotta go check on the paint that is drying in the Alaskan Alpine Club HQ utility room. Putting in a new water softener. That required new plumbing. One thing led to another. Painted the walls. Maybe some wine will make the paint dry faster.
DougBuchanan.com
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 14, 2008 - 06:02am PT
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Unlike the vast majority of Americans, the words I use hold their meanings.
Doug, I usually like your posts, but the above statement strikes me as being presumptive, in the least, if not arrogant, judgemental and perhaps even egotistical, which you strike me as not being.
BTW, I think drinking red wine helps paint dry faster than drinking white wine.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, Ca
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Jun 14, 2008 - 10:31am PT
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Doug, perhaps the stoic Marcus Aurelius was thinking along the same lines in simpler terms:
" The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts: therefore, guard accordingly, and take care that you entertain no notions unsuitable to virtue and reasonable nature."
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Michelle
Trad climber
Fort Sam
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Jun 14, 2008 - 01:07pm PT
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I went out last nite to this cool taco and beer stand right off base. It was a blast and everyone in my platoon was there, having a great time. Mostly a bunch of kids who really have no idea that a large percentage of them will not be alive in a few short months. Some of them act like its no big thing, what we're doing, even though we get told, yes, you're the medic and your a great target. Some of the "training tools" invlove great pictures of the injuries that our soldiers sustain. Its ugly, and yes, I do intend on returning from deployment and heading straight to the shrink.
as for the larger political picture, I have no strong opinion, really. It is what it is. Do I want war? no. right now its my job though and while I may personally not want to kill anyone (hey, I want to put them back together!) I would if I had to. No second thought, no second guess, you're dead. I could ramble on forever about this.
minerals, you are just JEALOUS! Yes, fired the M249. its heavy though- I like that picture of all the marines running with them, especcially the guy shouldering it! baddass.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Jun 14, 2008 - 01:24pm PT
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Michelle writes:
Mostly a bunch of kids who really have no idea that a large percentage of them will not be alive in a few short months
Not buying it... do you have any real data to back up that statement? What is your definition of "large percentage"?
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Jun 14, 2008 - 01:38pm PT
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yeah, how would she know russ, she's right there among them, so she'd have to what, open her eyes and look around?
just whom are you thinking does the fighting and the dying?
granted there are plenty of national guardsmen not presently available to dig out from the floods in the midwest these days, but i would say that description, as a generalization, holds some water.
take a look and see for yourself:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Jun 14, 2008 - 01:49pm PT
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Thanks Matt. I was asking Michelle.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Jun 14, 2008 - 01:54pm PT
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hmm, is that what you were doing?
it appeared from here that you were telling her she didn't know with whom she has been working...
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Jun 14, 2008 - 02:00pm PT
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Sorry Matt, those are two direct questions for Michelle. You can reread it if you have to.
Say, don't you have a Code Pink thing to run along to today?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jun 14, 2008 - 02:32pm PT
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"I swear to God if you were standing right here in front of me right now, I'd knock some of those crooked teeth in your stupid ass redneck grin down your worthless inconsiderate racist throat.."
Matt-
I've known Minerals for a long time. Long enough to know that he doesn't need anyone to defend him. However your response moved me to comment.
My views are about 180 degrees away from his. I do not approve of violence in any form and told him so, on the phone, in a private conversation. While his post was extremely distasteful to me, it is his right to post, as it is yours and mine, anything he wants. (and cmac's right to decide, not yours or mine, what's appropriate for this forum).
You're known here as a vocal and passionate advocate for the left/liberal/peacenik agenda. I'm in agreement with most of the views you espouse but I would urge you to consider how threatening someone with physical violence because their views are counter to yours represents that agenda. It's ironic, in my opinion and very, very Bush-like behavior. What exactly are YOU advertising?
(as an aside; anyone with any martial arts experience/common sense knows it is foolish and perhaps deadly to instigate or escalate conflict. One never knows who one is talking to. I know little old ladies who can take out linebackers.)
As I said, Minerals needs no defense. But I will state that to my knowledge, he has never engaged in or threatened an act of violence against another human being. I've never known him to have any but the highest standards of integrity. Despite disagreeing with most all of his political views I consider him a brother. ( Do you have siblings Matt? you agree with everything they say and do? Do they still have their teeth?).
I suggest that Instead of tabulating the 'Karma points' of someone you obviously know nothing about, you might consider a peek at your own scorecard.
Then again, that's really none of mine or anyone else's business is it?
If, like our President, you stand behind your comments no matter what the facts are, please email for directions to my Dojo, I'd be happy to take a message for Minerals.
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Jun 14, 2008 - 05:00pm PT
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Ksolem, Patrick and the our eclectic SuperTopo colleagues......
Marcus wrote fine words, but they were only his words. Consider writing your own. They will teach your mind more because it will be thinking more as it slows down to write them. Quoting other people is a process to remain less knowledgeable.
And indeed the suggestion that the vast majority of Americans do not use words that hold their meanings sounds presumptive. Therefore, since one is always one of the masses and majorities of many things, question the suggestion with real questions.
Arrogant or otherwise, the suggestion is true. It was only learning its substance that created my incentive to escape it.
Notice the incessant comments on matters of the heart that reference the mind to therefore train it to perceive that the blood pump thinks. Notice the references to forcing those other guys to do things other than give them incentive to retaliate by design of the mind.
To confuse the mind's data routing process for one item of data, makes it inefficient or ineffective for similar data routing.
One of the controlling concepts of advancing one's knowledge beyond the competition is learning how to ALWAYS use words that hold their meanings, to train one's own mind to accurately handle data, with the exception of referencing my good friends the National Park Pigs.
I was raised on a farm, and have a degree in wildlife biology, so I know that National Park rangers are not pigs, and therefore I occasionally apologize for slighting the good character of farmyard swine by equating them to Park Service personnel.
And indeed, the 2002 Horizon's Edge, On The Fence, Cabernet Sauvignon assisted well in the arduous paint drying task.
Therefore I am off to the next adventure. Stand back everybody, mistakes are being fomented with impunity.
Doug
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Jun 14, 2008 - 05:21pm PT
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Doug.... why is that with every one of your posts that I read, I believe more and more that Dr. Bronner is still alive?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jun 14, 2008 - 05:34pm PT
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Russ why is it that with every post you make I think you are a total a$$ pipe?
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