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Doug Buchanan is a certifiable nut job. What a ranting lunatic. Have you read any of this loons web site crap? Holy s#%t.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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As cracko requested it...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 24, 2009 - 02:13pm PT
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the front page, today... ugh... 29 threads...
9 climbing
4 climbing related
6 site related
4 culture
9 politics
I guess I don't have an argument if the climbing threads equals the politics threads though... what a baby I am...
Kennel/dog sitters Banff/Canmore climbing related
Israeli's Nazi's politics
The Obama Team (ot) politics
Get on board hippy--war is cool now politics
We should have elected the Black Pope politics
Lets hear it for Aretha's hat. politics
nationalize the banks? politics
What's a personal *climbing* speed record of your own? climbing related
Posting pictures site related
Hardest 5.8/5.9 in the Valley and elsewhere climbing
Fox and Rush Poisen America (OT) politics
Freed by USA, gitmo prisoner becomes aQ chief. politics
What would you do with a million dollars? culture
I use to suffer fools gladly site related
What is virginity worth? culture
Northeastern edition TRs 2 climbing
a mystery site related
Frank Sacherer -- 1940 - 1978 climbing
This board sucks site related
Ice Slackin' climbing related
mac uninstaller (OT) site related
Foot stuck on Sickle climbing
So this pirate walks into a bar... culture
Bay Area Residents (ot, the cop shooting) politics
BLM Land or private land need climbing related
Climbing around North Carolina and NYC climbing
A Musical Treat culture
Making holds... climbing
Bad virus - Bankerfox.a Machine is dying....help! site related
Orange Juice Avenue - January 18, 2009 climbing
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 24, 2009 - 02:16pm PT
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Ed, with all due respect, I'm stuck indoors probably all weekend. Can't I rap politics with my homies? Looking at climbing pics gets old and taunting when you're stuck away from it.
Just sayin'.
The good news is that the same OT threads getting bumped so they're not really bumping climbing threads off. Now if people keep starting new/old OT threads, then I can see your point.
Bottom line is if people demand more climbing sh#t, they'll bump it.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Jan 24, 2009 - 02:21pm PT
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All in a lazy morning spewing around the camp fire. Crack of noon alpine club here.
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Jim E
climber
away
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Mar 19, 2009 - 09:07am PT
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Bump, cuz I think Chris may have missed the annual mark.
Chris wrote:
There is a balance. Hopefully most people will focus on providing info related to climbing on the forum and just occasionally post about non-climbing stuff. If a person's only interest is in non-climbing topics, I think everyone would appreciate it if that person found a suitable forum out there more appropriate for their interest. There is a online forum for EVERYTHING."
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Mar 19, 2009 - 12:07pm PT
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Right on as always, Chris! Personally, I'd rather chase a tale than chase my tail! LOL
Not a single political thread ever started from my keyboard. I am very interested in climbing and climbing history and not at all in politics on this forum. But that's just me.......
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Mar 19, 2009 - 04:17pm PT
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on the front page of the SuperTopo web site is the motto: SuperTopo.com: the frigg'n future of rock climbing guide info
not that it really matters, but I've been laying low around these parts lately because putting climbing stuff onto SuperTopo Forum seems to have little longevity, attract little attention, and, aside from the intent that this site have something to do about climbing, little to do with the political flame wars.
No doubt that it is the sign of the times, as it were, that one set of discontented voters were replaced by the other, and so the need to beat the drums of moral indignation, shout the outrage, and generally feel bad because the otherwise shitty state of the nation, the economy and all that, have become an overwhelming imperative.
To wit, this site has ceased to be very interesting to me, as its primary interest for me in the past was the fact that something about climbing could be found, and that others on the site shared a common interest.
Now those threads are lost in the sea of vindictive back-and-forth provoked by every rumor, every slanderous statement made in the press... amplified here to a deafening pitch.
As a result, I'm looking here less and less... the idea of putting the work into making a post of value is very unattractive, as it would either be co-opted into some political fight, or drop immediately into obscurity.
I'll be checking in from time to time, my guess is that the site has reached its natural limit where the people most interested in posting are least interested in posting about climbing. Perhaps I'm wrong, and if that's so, I'll be back posting. But right now I can't imagine putting the time in for the current audience.
There are other places which are more climbing-centric, you can probably find my posts there...
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Mar 19, 2009 - 04:25pm PT
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Ed, don't let it get ya down.
But if'n that's the case, you always got a place to post stuff on SPH. :)
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Mar 19, 2009 - 04:30pm PT
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Don't stop posting Ed...you post the quality!
I agree with you though, sometimes it feels pointless...I encourage you to stick with it though...we're gonna get over run with out folks like you
Cheers!
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Upper Fupa, North Dakota
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Mar 19, 2009 - 04:30pm PT
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Here is all you really need to know:
When the SuperTopo newsletter comes out, for whatever reason that it does (recruitment of new members? bring lurkers out? drive people to the site/forum?) has it yet said anything like:
New route on El Cap!
Obama is not black enough!
Vets are baby killers!
New feature: Hamas, friend or foe?
New V2 in the Buttermilk!
Bush still biggest wanker in the world.
It only touts climbing, not the political bukkake that seems so important to some.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 19, 2009 - 05:50pm PT
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I hate to post to this thread, but since I am posting anyway, hahahah political bukake, dead on!
I have never been to a climbing campfire/party/ whatever where all they talked nothing but climbing.
But I fee llike ed does-- there is TOO MUCH UNRELTED CRAP here. and it's not only unrelated to climbing, it's just STUPIS and WORTHLES selfabsorbed bullshit that NOBODY cares about except to OP.
THere is no cure other than to let someone moderate. and that opens a huge can 0 worms, so, there is probably nothign that can be done.
The huge influx of new idiots to this site over the last sevarl years nhas made the place almost a pain to visit. Stuff that was good used to stay on the from page a long time. Now, it id bumped down even in people are replying by the shear volumes of vapid worthles crap posts.
Oh well.
I'll be dead soon, so my views or actions. (I ain't leaving til I'm dead, too many pal here taht likes to read my drivel for some reason, LOL)really won't have any impact whatsoever, but MAYBE Chris or someone will finally come up with a way to seperate wheat from chaff.
Personally, I still think an ignore button, for each useer, would allow each person to see what they thought was important and ONLY that, and there could always be an exception that serious st guide book threads and meaningful climbing threads cold not be ignored.
BUT, my main gripe is that if you really think that people will lay off the mindless posting just becaus3 you ask them to, you need your head examined, cause you ain't dealing with reality at all.
Sorry Chris, that's just the truth and I wish you would accept that and DO something about the ruin of ST.
5 or 6 years ago it was much better, and again I see the main problem and a huge influx of what I will charitably call misguided morons.
Good luck finding a suitable solution.
Curt
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t^r
Social climber
dancing with puppies
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Mar 19, 2009 - 05:53pm PT
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"there is TOO MUCH UNRELTED CRAP here. and it's not only unrelated to climbing, it's just STUPIS and WORTHLES selfabsorbed bullshit that NOBODY cares about except to OP. "
stop talking about me
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Mar 19, 2009 - 06:07pm PT
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Ed, I am feeling much the same. I look everyday, but little appeals to me. Most doesn't. Do you know where everyone is going to post and read about primarily climbing? If you do, will you please let me know?
I've always thought the taco ebbed and flowed in terms of interesting stuff and not-interesting stuff. When the site was overloaded with political stuff, I knew it would eventually end. But that no longer seems to be the case. Too bad.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Mar 19, 2009 - 07:23pm PT
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Don't stop posting Ed! Your TR's are the bread and butter of this place. I don't usually comment on them, but I sure enjoy them and they are cool and informative and keep me educated on different Yosemite climbs.
Your posts are what this website should be about. I agree that the LEBification of this place is not cool. I have been guilty as most have, of getting upset over issues best reserved for other sites and by blasting back. If we ignore these people, won't they go away?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 19, 2009 - 07:25pm PT
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Ok, I've been gone for awhile and jumped back in thinking I wouldn't respond to the political ones - well, that went down the tube in about a day. But I value Ed more than the politics so I'm here to personally apologize to Ed and state I will refrain from political posts from this moment on.
Joseph
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Mar 19, 2009 - 07:29pm PT
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take the hint.
everyone....
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east side underground
Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Mar 19, 2009 - 07:36pm PT
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I solemly swear to refrain from my idiotic replys to winter and ski related threads and to respond idiotically only to climbing related topics, so help me gawd. AMEN
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 19, 2009 - 07:44pm PT
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buncha bellyachers...
I would have never had discourse with Woody (King of OT) if the off-topic stuff was disallowed.
Sometimes it gets too heavy, sure, but it's the typical ebb and flow. When spring hits for good it'll get waaaayyyyy more climbing related.
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