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Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Feb 7, 2018 - 04:09pm PT
Our 'reality' which seems so real is constructed every second from 40 snapshots of information ('sensations') from a potential 11 million.
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Not remotely so. The brain parses out content for awareness, but it doesn't do so by digitizing said content into "snapshots." That's what a digital camera does - freeze frames the stuff of consciousness, and via a play back, we get the impression that the resultant video is a fluid continuum.

Imagine a video capture device that didn't need to record by way of freeze frames, and instead could capture the uninterrupted flow of reality. Most people can't even imagine what such a device would look like.

Reality is smooth and continuous (not discrete/digital), and so is mind. The only way we can simulate mind is to do so by way of artificially dividing flow into a visual version of "rest mass," while we know that mass never actually rests.

This drives home Searle's point that "replication is not duplication."
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2018 - 10:55pm PT
Not remotely so. The brain parses out content for awareness, but it doesn't do so by digitizing said content into "snapshots." That's what a digital camera does - freeze frames the stuff of consciousness, and via a play back, we get the impression that the resultant video is a fluid continuum.

Imagine a video capture device that didn't need to record by way of freeze frames, and instead could capture the uninterrupted flow of reality. Most people can't even imagine what such a device would look like.

Reality is smooth and continuous (not discrete/digital), and so is mind. The only way we can simulate mind is to do so by way of artificially dividing flow into a visual version of "rest mass," while we know that mass never actually rests.

Yes, that's the classical view of physics. But that view has been thoroughly upset by Heisenberg's uncertainty principle and the quantum Zeno effect. Einstein struggled unsuccessfully to the end of his life trying to disprove these observations. I suspect the SLAC LCLS is peeking into these issues.

Quantum physics demonstrates that space and time don't exist in anything like the manner in which we experience them. They are tools of the mind that don't exist as objects external to our minds independent of conscious awareness. Space and time turn out to be forms of animal intuition, creating a local view of reality.

I understand when you've spent your life believing in the Matrix, it takes some getting used to shifting your perspective to see things the way they really are. I sympathize with Werner's frustration watching people walking around like zombies in fabricated reality.
No God

Mountain climber
MT
Feb 8, 2018 - 08:29am PT
@spider, obviously I can't prove that you don't have an immortal soul. but that's not how science works. We don't look to prove that something doesn't exist. We look for proof, evidence, and base judgments upon that. You can' tprove to me that there isn't a piece of chicken parmesan orbiting some distant star which controls our galaxy. Just because you can imagine something or someone told you something does not make it true. Fact based knowledge is the only road ahead. real facts too, not Trump facts.

I do agree with Tom that space and time, and many other concepts of physics and math are merely constructs of our mind and neurons. For example, we created an arbitrary number system and based a lot of things upon it. Change the base and everything else changes.

Also the matrix analogy to me seems more like religion and spirituality than science and facts. Religion is a carefully constructed fabrication to control people and tell them it will be all right when they or loved ones die.

It's strange to me how people assimilate consciousness and the soul/religion/spirituality. To me it's simply the idea that we know we are alive and will someday die. A sense of place in the world.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 8, 2018 - 02:07pm PT
No God, your lack of faith is refreshing. Believing everything you're told is no way to higher consciousness and levels of awareness.

One may need to believe something is true for a time of testing but if it does not prove out to be true it must be recategorized as "didn't work."

The life force of humans, animals and plants has been measured and can easily be observed by simply looking at a live body next to a dead one.

I came to a certainty of my own awareness of my immortal existance through the use of an electronic device to objectively verify facts. More on this not forthcoming.

The fact is that mankind has advanced and is capable of advancing much further than generally known. Pathways to new levels of conciousness and awareness that work are usually viciously attacked and blocked with misinformation. For a long time the power on this planet has been held by those who profit from keeping humandkind in a sheep-like state.


TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2018 - 11:16pm PT
So there has been extensive scientific documentation of psychic phenomena happening. However the academic scientific community has not agreed upon any satisfactory physical theory of how psychic phenomena happens; as many scientists remain entranced and limited by observations within orthodox descriptions of the material universe.

One such theory has to do with the propagation of psychic effects by means of either electromagnetism or an analogous or related phenomena. Although electromagnetism doesn't provide a completely functional analogy, it does provide useful concepts such as wave propagation, standing waves, frequency, phase, complex wave functions, and wave functions collapse to physicality. All of these turn out to be perceivable in a non-physical sense during conscious explorations of spiritual awareness. Some scientists have even attributed psychic effects to electromagnetic radiation from brain circuitry or electromagnetic potentials which are measurable by laboratory equipment. Others contend that no such conservative model is adequate and that it is necessary to identify new forms of energy or information transfer to expand upon the established physical models. And some orthodox scientists postulate it may be necessary to expand the physical laws themselves, as was required in expanding classical mechanics to quantum mechanics and relativity theories. Some contemporary scientists have recognized, studied, and written extensively about this issue, such as Roger Penrose, Rupert Sheldrake and Robert Lanza.

However many discoveries have been suppressed from the planet's surface populations in order to maintain control. None-the-less many people have become aware that human populations can be manipulated using electronic means developed within the military industrial complex, such as TV, radio, cellular, and microwaves. What few realize is that such EM effects can be initiated from outside of what is normally known about the electromagnetic spectrum.

James Clerk Maxwell developed the equations for explaining how electromagnetism works. He is best known for formulating in 1864 the classical theory of electromagnetic radiation, combining electricity, magnetism, and light as different aspects of the same phenomenon. Maxwell's equations for electromagnetism have been called the "second great unification in physics" following the one realized by Isaac Newton.

Most modern scientists are unaware that Maxwell's original formulas for electromagnetism, also included gravity and etheric forces as integral components of the electromagnetic spectrum. This knowledge has been suppressed since these hyper-spatial components can be manipulated to influence human biology and consciousness and provide free energy. This is also why Nicola Tesla's work has been suppressed.

Maxwell's original equations gave the necessary information for gravitational propulsion and psychoactive devices, providing the foundations of electromagnetism, electro-gravitics, and Unified Field Theory.

Shortly after Maxwell's death in 1879, his work was edited and reinterpreted by mathematician Oliver Heaviside, chemist Willard Gibbs, and physicist Heinrich Hertz. Heaviside discarded the etheric fields components of Maxwell's equations, thinking they were 'akin to mysticism, because everybody knows that fields contain mass, and mass cannot be created from apparently nothing.'

A few years after Maxwell's death was the famous Michaelson-Morely experiment in 1887, which proved unable to measure any such etheric force. Since scientists could not measure it, then it obviously did not exist. So mathematicians scrubbed Maxwell's formulas of the relativistic/etheric potential vectors. They also postulated that electromagnetism and gravitation are mutually exclusive, not interdependent. That killed subsequent efforts to realize a functioning unified field theory. Electromagnetism was reduced from its original five dimensions to only four: X, Y, Z, and time. The element of G was removed. Maxell's original work is now only available to covert scientific compartments in the government.

The resulting simplified formulas are taught to most students of physics and electrical engineering. All orthodox electronic and scientific instrumentation outside classified government laboratories has been designed to measure force, electrical charge, and energy that is coupled to mass. Subtle energies where mass is not involved cannot be detected, much less measured. Hence it doesn't exist. Yet it is these so-called 'imaginary components' that co-exist with the 'real' components and affect the psychic and neurological functions of bio-systems. This has been one of the best kept secrets of government.

Now it's yours.

eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Feb 9, 2018 - 08:11am PT
In trying to find common ground with this thread, all I can come up with is I've always liked Good Vibrations by The Beach Boys. Otherwise, we're in serious tin-foil-hat territory here.
WBraun

climber
Feb 9, 2018 - 08:17am PT
You are soooooo closed minded.

You are stuck in body consciousness.

A human being transcends body consciousness.

Thus you are still in an animal consciousness and haven't come to the stage of a human being yet .....
No God

Mountain climber
MT
Feb 9, 2018 - 09:54am PT
Tom, I hope that was a joke.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2018 - 11:43am PT
Would you like to offer a technical explanation as to how these things fly?

These videos of F-18s chasing UFOs were front page news for the New York Times on Dec 16, 2017 and The Washington Post on Dec 18, 2017.


Right: U.F.O. video :34 is the oblong white object between the two parallel gun camera sight lines videotaped in infrared by U. S. Navy pilots flying F/A-18F fighter jet in 2004 near San Diego, California, and released to The New York Times on December 16, 2017.

Left: GIMBAL video 2:45 was officially released to The Washington Post on December 18, 2017. Both infrared fighter jet gun camera videos were released by the DoD's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP).

“The object's orientation and performance seem to defy
current principals of physics such as atmospheric resistance and normal
aerodynamic forces. During the orientation change, the UFO also
slows to a near stop, but does not change altitude.”- DoD Analysis of UFO in U. S. Navy F/A-18F fighter jet's gun camera infrared video

we hear US fighter pilots struggling to determine the nature of object. Key findings include:

• Low observability in both electro-optical and electromagnetic spectrums.

• No distinguishable flight surfaces.

• Lack of obvious propulsion system.

• Never-before-seen flight capabilities.

• Possible energy or resonance field of unknown nature.

The filename “GIMBAL” seems to be traceable to the unusual maneuvering of the UAP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=_kVT48VbS_A

transcript from audio:

Pilot one: “Yeah, that's a f*#king drone, bro.”

Pilot two: “There's a whole fleet of them. Look on the S. A. (situational awareness).”

Pilot one: “My gosh!”

Pilot two: “They're all going against the wind. The wind is 120 knots (138 mph) out of the west.”

Pilot one: “Look at that thing, dude!”

Pilot two: “That's not L. N. S. now, is it? It's ...”

Pilot one: “That is an L.N.S., dude.”

Pilot two: “Well, the FLIR...”

Pilot one: “Look at that thing! It's rotating!”

Commander David Fravor has had an 18-year-career in the Navy. The Washington Post describes the background of the more sensitive GIMBAL video as saying:

“The year was 2004. Fravor was the commanding officer of the VFA-41 Black Aces, a U. S. Navy strike fighter squadron of F/A-18 Hornet fighter planes doing an exercise some 60 to 100 miles off the coast between San Diego and Ensenada, Mexico, in advance of a deployment to the Persian Gulf for the Iraq War.” Commander Fravor says, 'As I get closer, as my nose is starting to pull back up, it (UFO) accelerates and it’s gone! Faster than I’d ever seen anything in my life.'”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUDXVESC6Tg

One of the F18 pilots remarked that they have about as much chance to catch one of these things as someone with a bow and arrow has trying to shoot a flying F-18.
No God

Mountain climber
MT
Feb 9, 2018 - 02:30pm PT
well that went in a weird direction...ah the internets.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2018 - 04:12pm PT
We're talking about a public release on the front page of two of the major newspapers in the country.

So who are you showing up anonymously on this thread with no former presence on this forum except for your few postings on this thread??
jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 9, 2018 - 05:39pm PT
So there has been extensive scientific documentation of psychic phenomena happening

Has there?
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 9, 2018 - 06:54pm PT
well that went in a weird direction

You obviously didn't get the memo. At what point did you think this thread would comply with your worldview?

I hope Tom saw this coming.

So there has been extensive scientific documentation of psychic phenomena happening

Has there?

Extensive is a relative term. I think extensive enough to win a court case, perhaps. Extensive enough to alter the direction of scientific research? I doubt it. Who would pay for it? Extensive enough to change public opinion or corporate news propaganda? Time will tell.

TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2018 - 07:02pm PT

Yes
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 9, 2018 - 07:55pm PT
They are inversely proportional, Jim.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2018 - 08:16pm PT
“The world is so full of a number of things, I ’m sure we should all be as happy as kings.” ― Robert Louis Stevenson


So I have friends who are afraid to even think about getting into airplanes.

And I have other friends who have piloted airplanes many thousands of hours and made tens of thousands of skydives.

If I want to talk about setting up for a wingsuit rodeo, guess who I would seek to include in the conversation?


There is no shortage of literature on the subject of this thread and governments have invested immense funding into directly related academic and clandestine research.

I've been looking into this for six decades and found its subjects directly relevant to life in general, my AI professional career, and climbing in particular.

To the degree that you haven't looked into this ... well, you have a choice.


Did someone mention flying carpets?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HMdioj6kng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2sT9KoII_M
jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 9, 2018 - 08:57pm PT
A very good article, IMO, raising issues of methodology and inference:


https://slate.com/health-and-science/2017/06/daryl-bem-proved-esp-is-real-showed-science-is-broken.html


The author does not conclude that ESP does not exist.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2018 - 10:32pm PT
Yes, JohnGill, this is a very interesting article and nicely illustrates the difficulties of researching these topics in an academic environment.

Their lab work doesn't persuade me personally in any particular direction, but simply reminds me why I moved out of the psychology and sociology departments of my university...

Academics are still trying to understand the spirit world by looking for effects that can be replicated in the material world.

Spiritual actions certainly can and do effect the material world, however generally as events driven by Inner Vision and unique to specific and often emotionally charged circumstances ... not a contrived and boring lab environment.

The Nazis mind benders do a much better job in that regard, but somehow polite society doesn't seem impressed by their ethical character and concern for their subjects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

As I've pointed out many times, one of the key challenges of the sciences is trying to prove repeatable results in a world of unique circumstances.

It is very impressive how many laws of nature have been researched and established, but even most of these have unique exceptions showing up as research progresses....and I'll defer to Ed and his peers in that regard...

In particular all this research makes Agent Smith work overtime repairing damage to The Matrix!

By 2001, Bem had mostly set aside his mainstream work and turned to writing commentaries and book reviews on psi phenomena. He’d also quietly embarked upon a major scientific quest, to find what he called “the holy grail” of parapsychology research: a fully reproducible experiment on ESP that any lab could replicate. His most important tool, as a scientist and rhetorician, would be simplicity. He’d work with well-established protocols, using nothing more than basic tests of verbal memory, priming, and habituation. He’d show that his studies weren’t underpowered, that his procedures weren’t overcomplicated, and that his statistics weren’t convoluted. He’d make his methods bland and unremarkable.

In 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2008, Bem presented pilot data to the annual meeting of the Parapsychological Association. Finally, in 2010, after about a decade’s worth of calibration and refinement, he figured he’d done enough. A thousand subjects, nine experiments, eight significant results. This would be his solid, mainstream proof of ESP—a set of tasks that could be transferred to any other lab.

Ross made his name as a psychologist, in part, by demonstrating that people often cling to their beliefs in the face of any challenge, no matter how profound. Bem’s paper struck him as an interesting challenge for the field. “You have a belief, and here’s some data that contradict it,” he said. “I thought it was time for a discussion [of] how we deal with surprising results in psychology.”

Wagenmakers drafted a rebuttal, to be published in JPSP alongside the original research. The problems he saw in Bem’s paper were not particular to paranormal research. “Something is deeply wrong with the way experimental psychologists design their studies and report their statistical results,” Wagenmakers wrote. “We hope the Bem article will become a signpost for change, a writing on the wall: Psychologists must change the way they analyze their data.”

medical doctor and statistician John Ioannidis published a short but often-cited essay arguing that “most published research findings are false.” Among the major sources of this problem, according to Ioannidis, was that researchers gave themselves too much flexibility in designing and analyzing experiments—that is, they might be trying lots of different methods and reporting only the “best” results.

Wagenmakers would later write that psi researchers such as Bem deserve “substantial credit” for the current state of introspection in psychology, as well as for the crisis of confidence that is now spreading into other areas of study. “It is their work that has helped convince other researchers that the academic system is broken,” he said, “for if our standard scientific methods allow one to prove the impossible, than these methods are surely up for revision.”

psi researchers proffer a different interpretation: Maybe this has less to do with the researcher’s expectation than with his ability as a psychic medium. “If it’s possible that consciousness influences reality and is sensitive to reality in ways that we don’t currently understand, then this might be part of the scientific process itself,” says Schooler. “Parapsychological factors may play out in the science of doing this research.”
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2018 - 11:23pm PT
It seems to me that emotions are properties of awareness on a gradient scale from apathy to grief, fear, anger, antagonism, boredom, conservative, up to enthusiasm. (not a list originated by me)

It may be possible to associate each of these with specific mental frequencies related to the discussion on levels of awareness. If the different emotions are associated with frequencies, that's not something I know about, but seems likely to me.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2018 - 02:07pm PT
Certainly consciousness effects the material universe. Consciousness creates the material universe and permeates every aspect of it.

The material universe is the way it is because consciousness makes the agreements to create it this way.

Any tampering with these highly energetic and finely tuned material agreements can be very risky...as strongly reinforced by the allegorical Agent Smith...

In order to change the 'natural' agreements of the material universe, as in demonstrating PK or ESP or OBE; first there has to be an appropriate reason to do so....motivated by what can be called Inner Vision...

Learning for curiosity's sake is not usually a strong enough motivation to change basic agreements as to how the material universe is working, especially when ego righteousness gets involved.

Sometimes events come about in life where all bets are off and altruistic superhuman abilities can happen...however 'pushing your luck' is not a great idea... [Famous last words: 'Hey, ya'll, watch this!']

Pushing the limits of human ability in order to enhance our experiencing of life can be a wonderful thing...especially when ego is kept in proper balance...

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