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10b4me

Mountain climber

Retired

Dec 12, 2017 - 03:57pm PT

Kevin, we get that you feel mistreated by women, and that a woman's place is in the home. You need to move on. It's almost 2018, and times change all things. If you don't change also, you become a dinosaur or a republican.

ron gomez

Trad climber

fallbrook,ca

Dec 12, 2017 - 05:01pm PT

Locker....said in jest....come on Brother, you know me. Fonda use to call when the "strawberries were ready! Not intended to criticize you.
Peace

Lennox

climber

in the land of the blind

Dec 12, 2017 - 05:23pm PT

Women in general have all the power they need in today's society - if anything the overall balance is in the females' favor as I see it.

This really sounds a lot like some of the white/all lives matter republicans I know when they deny that racism (or sexism) still exists in the US.

But they would say:

“Blacks in general have all the power they need in today’s society- if anything the overall balance is in the blacks’ favor as I see it.”

#youblind

SC seagoat

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone

Dec 12, 2017 - 05:48pm PT

Do you, Susan???...

Oh Locker, you went way over the top in reading between my lines.
Think satire, satire.

Of course those words (You listed) are deeply wrong and have nothing to do with political correctness. They stand alone, and many others, far outside “political correctness”. They were wrong then and are even more wrong today.

There are a full range of things that fall into “political correctness” that some of may say “Whaaa?”
Not for this thread, but a very interesting discussion can be had on the chilling effect “political correctness” has had on discussing very important issue. There’s increasing research about it.

Many things have been lumped into the “political correctness” spectrum. Some are profoundly important and have deep ramifications, others (many reasonable folks) would think are a little silly.

It’s all a personal perspective. However I would like to believe, that universally, those terms you listed would have totally agreement they have no place in civil discourse.

BTW. I don’t have a husband to cook for, but I do have a partner that does most of the cooking for us. ;). Ferretlegger (Michael) is a great cook (if you like meat and taters).

Susan

zBrown

Ice climber

Dec 12, 2017 - 07:08pm PT

What about all those nympho goo... and bea.. gals?

Well they're OK as long as they're underage and will take a knee to get whatever they need.
-ivTrump

Fritz

Social climber

Choss Creek, ID

Dec 12, 2017 - 07:42pm PT

The Warbler, who whines that any "Ad Hominem" attack on him, on this thread, lacks validity, feels free to make "Ad Hominem" attacks on women here.

Why is it that feminists, with all their talk about equal treatment and "intersectional feminism" are typically the ones to hit below the belt if politely disagreed with when debating the details of their ideology?

But of course, The Warbler is special, because he writes long paragraphs & uses big words.

Ad hominem, is an argumentative strategy whereby an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. Wikipedia

ron gomez

Trad climber

fallbrook,ca

Dec 12, 2017 - 07:45pm PT

Now that I feel my house ain't gonna burn down I will get my butt out there. WUD be GUD to see you!
Peace

NutAgain!

Trad climber

South Pasadena, CA

Dec 12, 2017 - 08:04pm PT

That's the feminist cliché, Nutagain

I'm talking about personal power, not money or job status

Can you give a clear definition of “personal power”? Is this basically the same thing as self esteem, willingness to present one’s self in whatever way one see’s fit without concern for how the world reacts, or what?

The point I was making was not about income or status as you mistakenly boiled it down to Kevin. To me, that reduction shows a lack of familiarity with the issues. I’m talking about power in the sense of being in a position of authority that drives the actions of other people and how money is directed. I am talking about human interactions where people have skin in the game, have a lot at stake based on decisions and outcomes. I am talking about people who are accountable for the productivity of groups, the completion of projects or specific goals that others have paid money for, and where multiple people lose their jobs or perhaps their careers if they are not effective.

I have direct experience being close with multiple women with very different personalities (but smart and ambitious) and seeing the dynamics they deal with on a daily basis in these types of situations. It is not theoretical arguments. If the scenarios sound cliche, perhaps it is because they are all too common because the issues I brought up are typical in those environments.

zBrown

Ice climber

Dec 12, 2017 - 08:25pm PT

You know, there's two ol' maids layin' in the bed,
One picked herself up an' the other one, she said:
"Get your rocks off!
Get your rocks off! (Get 'em off!)
Get your rocks off! (Get 'em off!)
Get your rocks off-a me! (Get 'em off!)"

Contractor

Boulder climber

Dec 12, 2017 - 08:59pm PT

Words and thoughts play well in the egocentric spaces of our own minds and often engender arrogance and narrowness.

Discussions like this, with open and broad scrutiny of our ideas will certainly cause reflection and even shift the attitudes of reasonable people, in time- even if their post may not reflect that.

Tom Patterson

Trad climber

Seattle

Dec 12, 2017 - 09:02pm PT

So...wasn't this supposed to be a thread about Callie deserving noteriety?

Congratulations for the deserved noteriety, Callie!

Krease

Gym climber

the inferno

Dec 12, 2017 - 09:20pm PT

Hey the Warbler, who gives a shyt what FA's you were on? This thread isn't about you. So many climbers are such fuking egomaniacs that EVERYTHING has to be about them. I don't know you Callie, but congrats.
BTW, misogynists just got their asses handed to them in Alabama, lol.
Fuk you, Dotard Drumpf.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2017 - 09:34pm PT

"Well, the boss is not always right, but he's always the boss"

Mark Rylance as Rudolph Abel

Fritz

Social climber

Choss Creek, ID

Dec 12, 2017 - 09:37pm PT

Hey Krease! I like your thoughts!

You are a breath of fresh air, for that Warbler spewer on this thread, to blow off.

unlocked gait

Gym climber

the range

Dec 13, 2017 - 06:03am PT

no the wilmot character is definitely a male.

i first crossed his path when his rack got lifted years ago,
and he pitched a 'woe-is-me' thread here at the climber's mall.

i fell for it and sent him two of my cams in the mail.

because i usually extend help to those whom are down and out.

surprise be it to me when years later he starts shouting
a political bent of cold shoulder to refugees and immigrants.

to people whom are STARVING TO DEATH and homeless and war-stricken.

f*#k him. good riddance. i've no tolerance when some wee-fella's or gal's fear
and greed brings tangible suffering to good humans.

Marlow

Sport climber

OSLO

Dec 13, 2017 - 12:05pm PT

There's always a risk of being lost in polarities...

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Dec 13, 2017 - 12:05pm PT

You're continuing to put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head to make a strawman argument, however less extreme

Actually...... when I made the first post you objected to I specifically asked if JoGill felt the example he gave fit into the parameters of your "can be...damaging" category. I could understand your point were it about my use of the word "rape" when you didn't specifically use that word, but that's not your argument.

Look - I don't disagree that false accusations can be damaging to a person. I actually wrote a lengthy post about that, and suggested it is a separate discussion to be had. Why not create a thread about that topic?