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EdwardT
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"What did he do for "people of color"
One big time super obvious one is he became President...
And then race relations steadily worsened for the next eight years. Obama deserves more credit than anyone... until Trump came along.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nonsense. Utter nonsense. Obama couldn't cure or erase America's racist past or present, especially among conservatives who couldn't accept a black president.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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What neither of you are hearing is there are millions of us stuck in the middle between winner takes all partisan as#@&%es. We're tired of the extremes. Many of us feel that left unchecked attitudes like those professed by the hard outer edges of the parties are leading us back toward civil war.
I want candidtes who not only are willing to compromise toward the middle, I demand it. If enough of us come to recognize it, WE control the national elections now. We swing this way and that and so fall the elections. What we need to do is NEVER vote the party ticket, ANY party ticket.
If we do that we will kick the partisan powers to the curb. The last two presidents were not elected on the strength of the party faithful.
We need two things to right this ship. One difficult. One f***ing impossible.
The difficult (but doable) one is to completely redesign how congressional districts are set up. No more gerrymandering. No more districts that resemble ink blots. Use basic mathematics to parcel out each State's number of districts. Try to use natural boundaries (rivers, ranges) first, then man made ones (county lines, city limits, interstates) next. Considerations for party affiliation and race will be prohibited.
The other change... the impossible one is to overturn Citizens United.
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Nonsense. Utter nonsense. Obama couldn't cure or erase America's racist past or present, especially among conservatives who couldn't accept a black president.
Right. Starting with the Henry Louis Gates story, he set the tone. It was a local story, yet Obama ignorantly offered “he acted stupidly.”
With Trayvon Martin's death, he said “if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”
Then there was the Michael Brown shooting. Even though the details were unclear (it turned out Darren Wilson was vindicated), Obama said the shooting “exposed the racial divide in the American justice system that stains the heart of black children.” Obama sent three White House representatives to Brown's funeral. In contrast, he sent no one to James Foley's funeral. He was silent of the Kathryn Steinle shooting.
Obama stoked racial animus in Baltimore. And then there were riots.
"At every opportunity to quash racial division, Obama's rhetoric instead amplified it. "
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Here we go again. White, conservative guy going to explain how prevalent reverse racism is.
Make it stop.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Edward. Some of those people had problems with police. Some of them didn't. I'll let you try and decipher the common denominator.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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the fact that he is only half white strongly creates bias in lieu of reasoned judgement
evidenced by many years history on this forum of similar nonsense, just ignore it and watch football now
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c wilmot
climber
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Gloatrage..it's a hell of a drug
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Look away, look away Sketch..
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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you're calling out a dude for being a dude, dude. you've got an outtie too, so you're just as guilty, quoth the resident expert (an innie FWIW). sorry for mansplaining to you, man.
Ah, as I thought. You don't understand the term.
You probably also think that a white guy can't call out another white guy for beating his black wife?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Is abortion really so incontrovertible for us?
Boy, you don't pay attention at all, do you?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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It is quite possible that Flynn wore a wire for Mueller. Wonder who that snared?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Trump , the liar in chief , says Flynn did nothing wrong when he talked with the Russians...? So why did Flynn lie to the FBI...? Then Trump asked Comey to let Flynn off the hook...Now Trump claims he didn't ask Comey to let Flynn go...This gets funnier by the moment...
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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The house of cards is starting to wobble...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Trump’s presidency is historic in how we will view the office in the future. He has lowered the bar to the point where limbo is no longer possible. Henceforth, past presidents will be seeking funds to build a paintball park in lieu of a library.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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I think the issue is that: "Pursuant to the Twentieth Amendment, the president's term of office begins at noon on January 20 of the year following the election. "
On Dec 28 the POTUS (Obama) signed an executive order announcing sanctions against Russia,
on that same day, Flynn contacts the Russian Ambassador Kislyak...
as far as I recall, private American citizens are not in a position to contact foreign governments on behalf of the USGovernment, certainly not without the USG knowing about it, and approving.
Flynn seemed to have avoided mentioning this when asked by the FBI...
the question is, of course, who else was in the know?
On the other hand, the Nixon campaign seemed to have influenced the South Vietnamese gov't to back out of the 1968 Peace Talks, tragically the war their went on for another 7 years, up to 1968 20,000 US soldiers had died, after that another 38,000 would die.
And Nixon was never investigated for the foreign contact... a tragedy.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Yep...correction made.
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nah000
climber
now/here
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so far the whole RUSSIA!11!!!!11!!!! deal is just the left's version of BENGHAZI!1!!!!1!!!!
and so just like the benghazi deal might have found something on ms. clinton [even though it ultimately didn't] the whole russia deal might eventually find something on mr. trump [even though it so far hasn't].
and so just to reiterate, i'm not saying the fbi/et al won't eventually find something... in fact, as i said almost a year ago, i still believe that trump is likely going to be gone around this coming summer. pretty tough to make enemies of both the cia/fbi and the press, as he did starting last winter and survive indefinitely.
but! until that happens RUSSIA!11!!!!11!!!! is just the new BENGHAZI!1!!!!1!!!!
and in both cases, as Robert L mentions re the dems, it's an excuse for both parties/sides of supporters to just snipe instead of working on both their vision and the communication of that vision in order that they can win the next election...
and we can see how well that strategy worked for the unprepared rethuglicans who couldn't/can't even agree on how to deal with obamacare... whose elimination had been for years on end the crown jewel in their campaign promises.
i'm sure the dems won't make the same mistake... /s
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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...he'd have provably been shot or gulag-ed, for refusing, in communist countries at the time....
which could have been avoided in Indochina had the independence movement been recognized at the end of WWI, instead of support for the continuation of French colonization.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Robert L- So far, it seems he may only have chatted with Russians as did the Rosenbergs.
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