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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Dec 21, 2006 - 08:59pm PT
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LEB--
What about the climbing. Are you dissociating or denying the topic.
Time to tie in. Quit skirting the question.
And no, I will never back off.
JL
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Dec 21, 2006 - 09:12pm PT
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I think he means business. The easiest out is to comply. Make it easy on yourself. Slip into something in a casual offwidth, you'll never look back.
Climb the wide with Pride!
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Dec 21, 2006 - 09:47pm PT
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yeah, but.... never mind
Better, thank you. But still a ways to go.
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Dec 21, 2006 - 09:50pm PT
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she's still at it?
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Dec 21, 2006 - 10:04pm PT
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I think my question was directed towards Jaybro and the rest of the trollers...
but anyway...
1) true, and i responded with half an apology.
2) not true - you missed my sarcasm (sp?)
3) half true (or less) - I never said anything about about taking you out back and shooting you.
now, maybe what a few of us would like to see from you is less typing and more observation of that which was said (typed) to you. or I could be crazy. or i could be turd. it's so confusing.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Dec 21, 2006 - 10:47pm PT
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Now he hates climbers? what a ... for lack of a better word.. t, er poop!
Codeine stops coughing, doesn't it? That's what I need, codeine.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Dec 21, 2006 - 11:15pm PT
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CF, hunh? I'll look into it. Isn't the DM, the stuff that's like 'cid when taken in mass quantities? -not that I would know about that.
I don't think they sell OTC codeine in Kaliforniya (we are so good about protecting ourselves, from ourselves, here). But they do in Wyoming! Just go to Osco or whatever, ask for it, and sign your John Hancock on the list, weird. I think it's like that with everclear™, too.
Here I'd have to go over the hill to oakland, and it's raining.
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Wild Bill
climber
Ca
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Dec 21, 2006 - 11:39pm PT
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LEB: "Largo, what does climbing represent to you?"
Largo: "Uh....not having to answer questions about climbing?"
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Mimi
climber
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Dec 21, 2006 - 11:42pm PT
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That comment was a classic parry by LEB to avoid a question posed to her.
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Mimi
climber
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Dec 22, 2006 - 12:04am PT
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I know that Lois, and you have dodged the issue again and again, and will continue to do so. If you're going to continue to hang out here, you're going to be asked about your motives and whether you care to try climbing. You've made it clear about your admitted interest in climber's minds or whatever.
Out of respect and admiration for JL, many of us will chime in to support his push to get you to check out the physical aspects of our game. I admit I struggle with your presence here because of your attitude about climbing, but I am relatively new to the forum environment, and I have to remember that. I have said repeatedly that the internet is free space and you are welcome here as much as I am or anyone else.
You've expressed your attitude in a recent thread about what you think of the people here, and in my opinion, it was basically disrepectful. It was pretty clear to me in those posts that you're somewhat self-absorbed and you're using people here for your own entertainment. I find this curious, especially with your workload. I've pressed you on internet addiction and you admit it's a problem, but you stick around. I guess this smack must be pretty tasty.
I have to edit a report right now. Later on.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 22, 2006 - 12:09am PT
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So anyway, I'm wondering what sort of interesting games and playthings there for indoors cats in a rainy climate. Hopefully people will have some suggestions.
I have a cat named Loki (=Little Orange KItten, which she was when I got her). She's now four years old, orange and white, spayed. She was a shelter cat, and is a bit shy. It's rainy season here in Vancouver, so she's a bit bored. She can go outside during the day - I leave the back door open, and the yard is fenced. But she doesn't usually bother much, as it involves being wet and cold. Though sometimes she and the neighbour's cats get to make faces at each other.
Does anyone have any good ideas on things to amuse cats? I thought this would be the right place to ask - I believe cats were being discussed 60 or 70 posts upthread.
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Wild Bill
climber
Ca
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Dec 22, 2006 - 12:30am PT
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LEB, I think Mimi was trying to say . . . Oh never mind. Karl was right, you either don't get it OR you play like you don't get it.
This is getting crazier by the minute! Anyway, give me a jingle sometime....
And Largo (if that's even your real name), I'm only going to say this once: I don't care WHO you are - back off! LEB and me got a thing goin' here, I don't need you sniffin' around....
LEB, honey, listen: El Cap in a day - big deal. Don't fall for Largo's lines, LEB! He's like all the rest of the climbers . . . He'll break your heart. Besides, have you taken a close LOOK at Largo?! He's kind of a sissy boy - you'd break him in half. See:
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 22, 2006 - 05:25am PT
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Lois wrote " I have substituted turd = DMT."
I'd bet your life that's not true.
Then she wrote
"On a more practical level, if we only had climbing threads (which I virtually never read), then it would be pretty obvious that my participation would be nil and I would drop out of sight. "
So you're kinda like a virus that we caught for our perverse ways?
Don't worry, you're worth it, but we'll ask you how to keep your symptoms manageable.
Peace
Karl
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Dec 22, 2006 - 10:01am PT
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JL.
I must apologize - I am out of witty answers for tonight - used them all up on the turd = ouch thread. What does climbing represent for you?
In psychology they call the above an inversion--basically what someone does (uncon sciously) when they want to skirt something. Just put it on someone else and dodge the question altogether. Silly rabbit.
But if you have to know--climbing is a flesh and blood act, not a mere idea, or an opinion or accesssment or some other mental abstraction, so far removed from you actual lived experience. Climbing will giv e you some actual source material and from there you can jump b ack into chronic mentalizing, which is always a substitute for lived experience. Or else you can start mentalizing on the above and just keep circling in one endless, vapid go-around.
For you, LEB, I trust that climbing would--if only momentarily--finally get you out of your head and back into direct experience.
JL
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Mimi
climber
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Dec 22, 2006 - 10:46am PT
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Largo, what if she likes listening to the echoes in the canyons of her mind? The question is, does she yodel for us or only for herself?
Ask not for whom the troll yodels, it yodels for thee!
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Dec 22, 2006 - 01:27pm PT
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If someone answers a question
and the questioner doesn't listen
is there really an answer?
yes
but,
more importantly,
was there really
a question?
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Wild Bill
climber
Ca
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Dec 22, 2006 - 02:30pm PT
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Karl = LEB !?!
WTF? I did NOT see that one coming...
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Wild Bill
climber
Ca
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Dec 22, 2006 - 03:11pm PT
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Beat it, LEB. This is a private conversation.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 22, 2006 - 04:01pm PT
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Don't worry Lois. The net is all over the world. I'll be around.
I'm at my folks in Norther cal now. Then India for 7 weeks after New Years. Then Hawaii for 5 weeks March-April.
All on a shoestring
Peace
Karl
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Dec 22, 2006 - 04:19pm PT
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The problem is that you and I cannot agree on "given x" i.e. the basic premise upon which you are basing the rest of your logic. Until we can do so, we will shall remain at odds. It is for THAT reason (and NOT because I am evading you), that I am trying to get you to define terms for your paradign and thus have some measure of mutual agreement.
If you´ll notice the above you´ll see all the earmarks of what I was talking about per mentalizing, reckoning, figuring, defining, explaining, controling, weighing, measuring, and all the other stuff we can do while spinning in our minds. The only way for you to answer my question is to step outside your paradign (mental) and go for direct experience without your evaluating mind intervening before your so much as get to the cliffside. So far it´s all just an idea that you contrast with what you already know or think you know about yourself. If you´re waiting for me to furnish a good enough answer before you go to the experience, none will ever be forthcoming because you want tihe info before the experience, or at any rate a rationale acceptable to youe mind (memory).
Stop thinking and have faitn in your actual life, not your virtual life (mentalizing and memory based).
Ho Ho Ho. Now tie in and GO.
JL
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