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c wilmot
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Those poor tech workers... they are the real victims. No other group has had it so rough
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dirtbag
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Holding grudges about 2016 is counter productive.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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I have no love for hillary, I would have much prefered Warren, or anyone capable of a knife fight in a dark alley, which definitely isn't bernie - but this election wasn't about the presidency - it was about the supreme court. Without regaining the court there won't be any progress on a progressive agenda for the next thirty years because for that you need the court.
Again, if you couldn't hold your nose and vote for hillary you voted for trump.
Holding grudges about 2016 is counter productive.
Productive? There is no productive! The federal government is being dismantled and the damage done in four years will take an easy twenty to thirty years to repair after regaining both houses and the supreme court which will take thirty years thanks to any of you who refused to vote for hillary. And if you people don't wake the f*#k up it will take even longer than that.
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WyoRockMan
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Grizzlyville, WY
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Casting the blame on 3rd party voters as the reason why Hillary lost only works if you ignore the number of registered Dems that didn't vote at all. They far outnumber the Stein voters. Same with Nader in 2000.
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Norton
Social climber
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Again, if you couldn't hold your nose and vote for hillary you voted for trump.
I fully agree
think it about it
there was only one way to vote to deny the Presidency to Trump, a vote for Clinton
or
yeah, I know, its a free country and you don't have to justify your vote to anyone
elections have consequences, we deserve what we get when we vote or don't vote
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dirtbag
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Healyje, I've woken the f*#k up, thank you very much. In fact, I was awake before the election, spending four days immediately before the election and on election day knocking on doors in Nevada to get out the vote. I tried.
I was never a Bernie supporter, fwiw.
Second, while there are lessons to be learned from the 2016 disaster, sniping about what Bernie or hillary supporters or their campaigns should've done is a waste of time and energy. We need to focus on the fights here and now and in the next several years. We need to band together, along with right leaning folks who care about democratic norms and constitutional principles and are alarmed about this menace.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Casting the blame on 3rd party voters as the reason why Hillary lost only works if you ignore the number of registered Dems that didn't vote at all.
When I said if you didn't vote for hillary that you voted for trump by other means that definitely included the dems who stayed home.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Holding grudges about 2016 is counter productive.
I agree, it's water under the bridge. We need to fight the current battles, also we need to get the dem party to have a infusion of new blood, and I'd say rather quickly.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Second, while there are lessons to be learned from the 2016 disaster, sniping about what Bernie or hillry supporters or their campaigns should've done is a waste of time and energy. We need to focus on the fights here and now and in the next several years. We need to band together, along with right leaning folks who care about democratic norms and constitutional principles and are alarmed about this menace.
Good point, DB.
Unfortunately, that's not happening. Instead, there's been a constant shrill whining since election day. It's not winning anyone over. It seems that many on the left prefer to wallow in self-pity, instead of accepting the situation and pursuing intelligent, effective avenues for regaining control of Congress in 2018.
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Norton
Social climber
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Edward,
you have proven that you are a very well informed and smart guy...
you did the right thing and voted for Hillary, thank you for making the right call
so, what recommendations do you have for the Democrats going forward?
roll over and play dead, or.............
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Only after he dumped anti-Hillary memes on the forum and said he would vote for Gary Johnson.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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I like everything Bernie was saying. But the nation's congressional districts have been gerrymandered at the state level for the past thirty years leading to a lock on the house for the gop. That left the white house, senate and the supreme court up for grabs in this election and it was more than painfully obvious exactly what would happen if the trump won this election and the fringe-right gained control of all three branches of government. The complete f*#king nightmare we find ourselves in - i.e. it wasn't the time to push for more gains on the progressive agenda, it was time to do every conceivable thing possible to protect the gains made in the past sixty years.
I would have voted for any democrat who won the nomination given the three-branch armageddon that we were facing. That anyone could have turned up their nose and not voted for hillary or not voted at all because they didn't 'like' her I find simply unbelievable - unbelievable and appalling.
I'm old, white and in a top income bracket - nothing trump does is going to do anything but work to my economic advantage. But if living were just about money I'd kill myself. And I pity anyone under fifty and anyone who isn't white - they're now completely f*#ked for couple of generations.
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monolith
climber
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Never mind, I see Silver's trump prediction dropped rapidly in the final days from 35% for trump to about 28%.
Still, Silver got much criticism from the left for those periods where he had trump much higher.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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That's because he doesn't have a valid point. Nothing hillary, the dnc, the russians or trump did would have mattered if progressives, young people, blacks and latinos simply voted for hillary - even just a small number of them would have done the job.
They chose not to and so this nightmare is on them and they're going to have to live with it - many for the rest of their lives.
You want unity? You want everyone working in the same direction going forward? Then people better wake up and admit they had their head up their asses in face of a sure armageddon. The better make it clear they they are now ready to vote on issues and what counts and not on friggin personalities in the future. Unless they're willing to do that then f*#king don't waste my time and I especially don't want to hear any whining about trump from anyone who didn't vote for hillary.
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dirtbag
climber
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climber
state of being
Feb 3, 2017 - 12:34pm PT
Only after he dumped anti-Hillary memes on the forum and said he would vote for Gary Johnson.
So what?
Edward is conservative. He's never going to run to Hillary with open arms. But when it counted he swallowed hard and filled the bubble next to her name. What the f*#k more do you want?
Had a few more people done the same, we would all be sleeping better at night.
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monolith
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state of being
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Just pointing out the facts, when he previously said he was about Clinton but forgot to mention all his Clinton "burns".
Back to work, I always get caught up in the Friday surge posting.
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John M
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That's because he doesn't have a valid point, nothing hillary, the dnc, the russians or trump did would have mattered if progressives, young people, blacks and latinos simply voted for hillary - even just a small number of them would have done the job.
absurd.. the 4 states nature is talking about that Hillary lost don't turn on progressives, young people, blacks, or latinos. They turn on working white people and unions. Hillary won all the states in which your list matters.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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One thing about EdwardT is that he doesn't into any pigeonholes.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Wrong. It was less than a 100k people across the three states that mattered and a reasonable turnout of progressives, the young, blacks and latinos in those three states would have more than carried the day. Instead the numbers tell the story - all four groups stayed home compared to 2012 even though their votes were way more than enough to have carried all three states at those slim margins regardless of how working class whites voted.
You'd have had a point if those states had been lost by a million votes, but 80k - pointless.
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