Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
|
|
Pop's has rolled his eyes and called me a pinko communist since I was 14. All laugh's- save your anger for something real.
|
|
rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
|
|
Just stand up for a couple of minutes is all it takes.
Pretty simple.
Yea, I admire you guys, and enjoy hearing what you think, but at 36685 posts and 25824 posts, I just don't have that much time to sit and post.
If my daughter just changed her skin color, then she could be white like you too. Simple. But I don't mean to say that there's anything better about your brain functioning or skin functioning than hers :-) But you know, sometimes, in the political realm, people do.
|
|
Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
|
|
Dude should have dropped a prayer mat, faced Mecca and let out a loud "allahu akbar". Kneeling was weak sauce.
|
|
Inner City
Trad climber
East Bay
|
|
Kaep is crushing this post-game press conference right now. He is articulating a fairly coherent, non-violent, patriotic message of activism in the face of oppression.
A red and gold panther...
He played ok too..
|
|
EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
|
|
Kaepernick said he would donate the first $1 million he earned this season to organizations that work with the community.
"I am planning to take it a step further, I'm currently working with organizations to be involved, and making sure I'm actively in these communities, as well as donating the first million dollars I make this year to different organizations to help these communities and help these people," he said.
Kaepernick added: "I've been very blessed to be in this position and make the kind of money I do, and I have to help these people. I have to help these communities. It's not right that they're not put in the position to succeed, or given the opportunities to succeed."
Respect
|
|
Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
|
|
To call this man a loser, as at least one poster has, is not very Christian. Has he no right to voice his opinion?
Au contraire passing judgement on people you don't know is the Christian thing to do. Ironic no? yes? maybe?
I've really enjoyed the intelligent, compassionate, insightful posts on this thread. Thank you both!
|
|
mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
|
|
He played ok.
All that I, as a 49ers fan, should give a damn about.
But it took guts to do what he did.
And they say any ink is good ink.
That may or may not be the case,
but in a way, CK's doing the front office's PR staff a favor in that respect.
He should get a bonus. :0)
^^^^Irony, fer sure, Wade!
|
|
the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
|
|
He took some good advice and took a knee instead of sitting. To me personally that's a huge difference. Sitting seems to show disrespect, like he wouldn't be bothered to stand up, but kneeling shows he's concerned and deferential. Again that's just how I feel personally.
|
|
mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
|
|
As a responsible fan of the Niners, and a devoted one of Joe Montana's, here is what Joe said.
This is what Holy Joe said.
In comments made in May.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/colin-kaepernick-san-francisco-49ers-joe-montana-comments-051216
"...I don't know his mental state at this point, whether he wants to be with the 49ers or not," Montana said.
"You read some of the things that says he doesn't want to be there.
If he doesn't want to be there, most of his teammates don't want him there.
Then trying to get that back is difficult.
I think it's all dependent on how he goes about everything when the team gets back together."
What do you say now, Joe?
Should he sit or should he squat now?
Should he speak or should he not now?
It's easier when all you have to worry about is to pass or not.
I don't lie a lot of drama with my Wheaties.
Just bananas and milk.
|
|
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
|
|
Haven't followed anything here, but have been ranting all week with fellow Niner fans. They hate him too, somewhat.
Im watching Batman VS Superman now and noticed a weird parralel, if you will.
Julian Assange is a guy who drops controversial information meant to divulge not only gov't secrets, but specifically ones that divulge an intent of willful deception (lying), pay for play politics (corruption), and possibly a vulnerability to national secrets (treason).
And then there's as#@&%e Kaepernick. He has obviously been brainwashed by other people to think he's oppressed and the 'black man' is 'put down'. Or whatever.
One person operates to bring light to dark secrets that are damaging to our country.
The other person is perpetuating falsehoods of American culture, while he profits from the same culture that he claims is unfair to people like him.
Julian Assange is kind of a prick, but he's also like Batman. The authorities hate him because he makes them look incompetent. He exposes thruth, and sometimes the own dishonesty of our 'authorities'.
|
|
nah000
climber
no/w/here
|
|
only read the last few pages, so maybe this has been said:
considering he managed to get even a bunch of honkies on a climbing board talking it seems like regardless of whether one agrees with his position or not, what he did was completely successful...
with that said, it's pretty mind boggling how uptight some of you get over someone making a peaceful and completely non-obtrusive action with their own body.
are some of you really so insecure about whether or not the good ole u s of a is the greatest country on earth that you want to control every single person who might want to point out that from their experience/perspective there might be some issues?
or is it just that the brown shirt goes with your eyes?
|
|
JC Marin
Trad climber
CA
|
|
I'm fine with whatever CK wants to do...just wish he would start playing football again...probably not going to happen.
Would it be more exciting for everyone if he poured on some gas and lit himself on fire?
|
|
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
|
|
nah000, it's deeper than the simplicity you portray it as. And you're smart enough to realize this. That makes me question where you're trying go, other than possibly just trolling.
What CK did needs to be stomped out immediately, as well as the whole falsehood premise that BLM is based on.
It is all another illusion to distract us. To distract us fro the very f*#king thing he claims to be 'fighting for'. Unity.
THEY want us divided. And idiots like CK help THEM. He is not helping US. Even when he does his 1Mil 'contibution' to help people.
Is he really that stupid? Or just mis-guided?
|
|
nah000
climber
no/w/here
|
|
sure blue... no question there is more being debated than just his action of refusing to stand.
i intentionally chose not to address the main other issue [as i see it] because i don't really have much to add to the debate of whether or not the black lives matter movement is "correct", "well-intentioned", "misguided" and/or etc.
as an outsider [both non-american citizen and white] what i may or may not have to say wouldn't add much to the debate, even if i had strong opinions.
but so that you know not all of my positions are black and white [ha!] what little opinion i do have is relatively split when it comes to the blm movement... on the one hand there is no question that systemic racism and white supremacy still exists in the us of a... on the other hand to suggest that that is the only or even a majority of the issue within black communities at this point in history [as from my relatively little informed viewpoint seems to sometimes be suggested by spokespeople within the blm movement] sems to me to be potentially rooted in too much externally directed and divisive blaming rather than being balanced with the both internal and external communicative solution building that is going to be required if the usa is to heal from its past [and sometimes present]... at the end of the day though, that is only a relatively ill-informed outsiders irrelevant two bits.
and so with that grey discussion out of the way, i still think anyone who believes that sitting during a national anthem is a reprehensible fashion to communicate a position [whether one agrees with that position or not] is at least a budding fascist [or aka an authoritarian nationalist], if not an outright card carrying one.
|
|
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
|
|
on the one hand there is no question that systemic racism and white supremacy still exists in the us of a... on the other hand to suggest that that is the only or even a majority of the issue within black communities at this point in history [as from my relatively little informed viewpoint seems to sometimes be suggested by spokespeople within the blm movement] sems to me to be potentially rooted in too much externally directed and divisive blaming rather than being balanced with the both internal and external communicative solution building that is going to be required if the usa is to heal from its past [and sometimes present]... at the end of the day though, that is only a relatively ill-informed outsiders irrelevant two bits.
I love yer viewpoint, but disagree a bit. There is definitely not a "systemic" racism in this country. Some would argue that Affirmative Action has actually gone too far, and I'd agree, that people are actually treated in a more benevolent manner BECAUSE of their race, not despite it. Of course that does not apply to 'wrong-color' people whould happen to be 'yellow' or also 'brown' (Asian Indian).
They need not apply.
Can you see where this is going? Can you see why my home-boy, Marthin Luther King Jr., said we should not judge people by the color of their skin, but the content of their character.
This may seem noble, and it is, it's fundamental. But it took a bold black dude to drive it home. Our Founding Fathers would be proud.
We are over the racist phase of our country in our souls, but some people keep stirring up the residue from the bottom of the pot. They actually thrive off of conflict and racism.
These are not necessarily bad people, but are very misguided.
I have a new thread about this in 2 seconds....
|
|
zBrown
Ice climber
|
|
How much as a percentage do folks like Gates and Charles Barkley, Michael Jordan and Jackson and Thomas Dolby donate to goodwerks!
It would have been better had the K-Man took double knee.
Father Serra would have. He couldn't donate due to his vows of poverty and hypocrisy,
|
|
nah000
climber
no/w/here
|
|
regarding your quote, blue, that: "There is definitely not a "systemic" racism in this country."
here's one of the quotes that wiki uses regarding the definition for systemic or institutional racism:
"The collective failure of an organisation to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."
when you [blue] say that there is no systemic racism, i am assuming you must be referring to overt systemic racism involving objectively written laws for example. and with regard to that one specific example, sure, the u.s. as far as i am aware does not have those types of laws any longer.
but with regard to the definition of systemic or institutional racism, as i've shown above is generally accepted, it is much more insidious than just overtly written laws.
when exactly the same pair of resumes, except for the differing names of shiniqua johnson or jane doe being at the top, results in 50% more callbacks for the person with the white sounding name, then systemic racism exists. full stop.
and this is only one minor example.
systemic/institutional racism is insidious and to deny its existence is to either fail to understand what those words are generally being held to mean...
or it is to fail/refuse to accept the objectively, repeatedly, scientifically and statistically shown discrepancies in the way white and black people are treated by the institutions that form the backbone of the u.s.
|
|
zBrown
Ice climber
|
|
Leave aside unwitting, there is plenty of outright blatant racial disdain if not hatred to be contended with and as Ali pointed out it ain't Vietnamese.
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!