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HighDesertDJ
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Escopeta posted Well, we certainly didn't get much for our money now did we?
Just the strongest economy in the world, tens of millions of people with healthcare access and the continuation of a global "war on terror." We also spent a nauseating amount of money on some jets that don't work and gave one of the largest middle class tax cuts ever. We also deported like 3 million people. That wasn't cheap.
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c wilmot
climber
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actually we have been in direct support of terrorism with the admins support of the "rebels" which is the propaganda term to collectively describe various islamic terrorist groups actively invading soverign nations with the end goal of an islamic state/caliphate
which has caused the largest displacement of humans in the history of man
not to mention our support of islamic terrorist groups being blatantly illegal under international laws
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 8, 2016 - 12:21pm PT
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Ill give Obama credit on one thing CHANGE..
He sure has changed the country for the worst..
another jewel from "the big wall climber"
Quote HereObama, the "Black Lives Matter" participants, and anti-cop dipshitz such as post on this forum are to blame for cultivating the culture that led to this tragedy. They are #2 on the blame list right behind the perpetrator.
and another one from this moron
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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It's possible to be pro law enforcement, recognize there is a problem among many (but not most) officers in their treatment of African Americans and try to find solutions. Most people are probably somewhere on this spectrum.
The "anti-cop dipshitz" rhetoric does nothing except push people into their corners or shut them up +1
I am grieving for the innocent people murdered by over zealous/bad cops, and grieving for the murdered Policeman just doing their jobs....Such sadness.
"Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars... Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
Martin Luther King.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Just the strongest economy in the world
I promised MadBolter that I wouldn't argue Debt and Deficit with people that don't know the difference between the two.
So, yeah. Obeezy's $20 Trillion dollar experiment is just ducky isn't it?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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With the country flooded with guns thanks to the NRA and people such as yourself, cops are on edge every time they interact with the public. That's why a guy with a concealed carry permit gets shot in his car.
Hahaha. Another person that buys into the "war on cops" fusillade.
Cops have one of the safest jobs in the country. Even including this tragedy in Dallas.
Mailmen are more likely to get murdered by someone in the public and I've never heard of mailmen being trained not to shake hands because someone might try to kill them if they do.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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As posted above. Did I ever think I'd live to see the day Id agree with Newt?
I really truly am gobsmacked. Honestly. For sure. Not kidding
But I still ache so much for what has happened the last few days. Stunned
Susan
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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actually we have been in direct support of terrorism with the admins support of the "rebels" which is the propaganda term to collectively describe various islamic terrorist groups actively invading soverign nations with the end goal of an islamic state/caliphate
which has caused the largest displacement of humans in the history of man
not to mention our support of islamic terrorist groups being blatantly illegal under international laws
SHHHHHH!
A lot of folks are asleep here. Don't wake them!
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c wilmot
climber
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the AR 15 has been available for civilian purchase since 1963
something else has changed
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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The aggressive advocacy for "second amendment solutions", so prominently brought forth by Sarah Palin, appears to have found it's expression.
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John M
climber
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Jody.. your post was opinion.. not necessarily truthful except as indicative of your opinion. I posted Obama's comments earlier.. what did he say specifically that would incite people to violence against cops?
And by the way.. I am sorry for the loss of your brother officers. I know that has to hurt. It hurts me. what a messed up thing for someone to do. We are certainly in troubling times.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, moose... thank you for sharing the 'steal of the link'
as to civil discussions...
very nice words...
say, i'd consider you a:
life-guard, watching over rough seas... and not a 'link stealer'
though, :)
on the very very awful sad note, as to past situations,
with the shootings:
i just heard about this shooting, last night...
and the others, the day before last night...
my prayers for all families, of all concerned... :(
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jonnyrig
climber
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Didn't finish because I know this line of reasoning.
Then you may have misinterpreted it, as you draw the conclusion yourself instead of reading his.
Similarly, I take your line of reasoning to mean that I have no legitimate need of firearms for sporting purposes such as hunting. Then again, I may be misinterpreting your sentiment.
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WBraun
climber
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need of firearms for sporting purposes such as hunting
Killing living entities in the name of "sporting" is not intelligent .....
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Suggested Civility Guidelines:
You forgot.....
Put your binky back in your mouth, you always feel more secure with your binky.
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WBraun
climber
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No, I'm not a vegan ......
But eat everything that's alive, not dead meat.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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More proof that very progressive/liberal and very conservative people are bigots, don't contribute to a useful dialog, and their minds are so closed that they are part of the problem.
They are very similar. The more extreme to the right or left the more screwed up people are. LibCons. One and the same, just the other side fo the fence.
Combine that with your basic hysterical second amendment rhetoric and proliferation of guns and just how it is that anyone could claim the Dallas shootings are anything but a legitimate militia action against an oppressive government is beyond me.
Legitimate action? B.S. It was a terrorist/psychotic cowardly act. Legitimate could be something like hunting down a known racist cop who has gotten away with murder and targeting him only. Blindly shooting family men / veterans who may be very fair, non racist, good cops is anything but legitimate. Probably the lamest thing you've ever written.
BLM (Black Lives Matter) is a terrorist organization.
It should banned and its members arrested.
They speak out against wrongs and they are terrorists? No committing terrorists acts would make them terrorists. The idiots/psychos who shot the cops are terrorists, that doesn't make BLM terrorist and in fact they immediately condemned the action. That's like saying Christians are terrorists because a few idiots/psychos bomber abortion clinics. Yes lets arrest all members of an organization, totally fair and American, sheesh.
Obama, the "Black Lives Matter" participants, and anti-cop dipshitz such as post on this forum are to blame for cultivating the culture that led to this tragedy. They are #2 on the blame list right behind the perpetrator.
No mention of the enduring racism and unfair treatment of people of color in place in lots of police forces across the USA? Of course not. An ex-cop who admits that he breaks the law is likely part of the blue wall of silence, as exhibited by his exclusion of corrupt police as part of the problem. The majority of cops in this country are fine people, I know many as friends, and I have had interactions with many others on the street. BUT I have also met people who are terrible cops on power trips and just rude, and I'm a white guy who treats cops with respect by default, I can't imagine what they would have treated me like if I was black. Instead of standing up for equality and justice and admitting there is a problem among your ranks to completely wash that over, and knee jerk defend them at every opportunity shows you are part of the problem.
Most of the recent deaths have been the result of the people being arrested not doing what they were told to do, that's dumb, but also cops who lost control and took things way farther than needed and killed people when they should not have. Plenty of blame to go around. Sure there's cases where the "victims" completely brought it on themselves, and sure there's cases where they did everything right but the cops killed them anyway. You need to investigate each case to really see what happened but there is plenty of blame to be shared. But there's a pattern of people of color getting different treatment than whites, that's a problem, that's what Obama talks about and that's what he should be talking about to try to improve the situation.
Edit: sorry moose, I didn't follow the productive guidelines in my post. But I'm so sick of the people with horse blinders on, just seeing things they way they want to see them. And if my experience on this forum plays out, no one with listen anyway. They will see where I quoted them, and only try to defend their skewed viewpoints instead of reading what i have written and giving it any serious consideration. I don't think they have the courage. It's much easier to blame "the other side" for all the worlds problems.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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But eat everything that's alive, not dead meat. .
But your dairy habit kills the male calves sooner or later.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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but why argue different points of view when we have data.
You remind me...
I have a sister in Boston. Our views on most things political are 180 degrees apart (except on the social issues like gay marriage and so forth). So one day she says to me "I can't understand why we have such different opinions when we're both looking at the same set of facts"
But the thing is, we're not looking at the same facts. Complex issues involve many facts, and those which are important to me will be different than those which matter to her. Figuring this out changed the nature of our conversations. We find common round when something matters to both of us.
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