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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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Nov 18, 2006 - 06:35am PT
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No, we are wall climbers. The law says we have to put him in a paper bag then stuff him into a 4" PVC pipe. To allow him to roam free would be wrong.
Don't mess with Mimi, she has powerful friends.
You've really stepped in yourself now...
"When you're done making fun of my internet name..." Boy, you really don't know us that well, do you? You're the one who thought it would be funny, and we are here to support that and show you just how funny it's going to get. For some inspiration on the subject, I'm going to get a cup of coffee and a cigarette. Then I'll sit down and read some Depak Copra...
(pun fully intended)
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 18, 2006 - 06:46am PT
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EWww Mimi, you stepped in something!
Hey how long would you keep those peony tree seeds in the freezer?
And remember, a turd by any other name would smell as sweet.
BTW, Janet's post was a bit weird, but she knows more about Pete than almost anyone, including the stuff nobody will talk about. Mabye he is the new improved Pete.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Nov 20, 2006 - 03:59pm PT
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"None of you are any better or worse than Pete, not by any means"
well that may or may not be true, but i can tell you this much, i have never 'come on' to a kid (nor have i ever contemplated it), never dropped a line on a teenager 20 years my junior, never creeped any female out with an email, and never been accused of any of the above.
better or worse?
that's not always the point.
i don't see how several consecutive months of self control erases an individual's history.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 20, 2006 - 04:03pm PT
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Another cowardly bump and run.
Who could it be?
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Dec 27, 2006 - 12:25pm PT
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so what is it that you are trying to say?
(isn't such vague and elusive language only going to serve to perpetuate the pattern?)
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Dec 27, 2006 - 01:34pm PT
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well janet, it just seems to me that nobody ever wants to be explicit and on the record wrt "rattish" behavior, and then somone just keeps claiming there is nothing on the record, yadayadayada.
i have often encouraged people to be weary or whatever, and even in my own experience i have found that pete has repeatedly demanded (to no avail) that i remove posts that even suggest anything negative has ever gone on- so i think it's clear that he'd like to be able to play the poor innocent sweet (now all god-fearing) guy who has been unfairly accused of this or that, and it helps him if 1st person specific narratives are hard to find.
i just think that women in the not so distant future might want to be able to know what's what, but you're the one to decide what you will write.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Dec 27, 2006 - 01:57pm PT
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"well janet, it just seems to me that nobody ever wants to be explicit and on the record wrt "rattish" behavior, and then somone just keeps claiming there is nothing on the record, yadayadayada."
I'd have to agree with Matt here. Your posts really come off more as "my ex pissed me off recently, so now am angry/feel like a fool for trying." No offense meant, by any means. But, seriously, that's how it comes off. "Rattish behavior" towards you (imagine that, ill feelings in a breakup! The horror!) don't really go towards making someone disgusting or supporting the topic at hand here. As Matt points out, no one has come forward and made any blatant accusations, nor tried to really support any of them. Unless, of course, you're saying that those same things being said, which you argued against, have now swayed you in a different direction.
And honestly, hitting on a 20 year old, or being somewhat crass with women, or hitting on them constantly... how shocking! Please, I see that all the time, each day. While it's not the behavior that I, myself, exercise, it certainly doesn't give me free reign to judge or talk trash in a public forum or mold it into something else.
Maybe there's something to all of this, maybe not. Until I see some proof, I'll offer the benefit of the doubt. Thing is, for each "pete hater" you can find someone (females included) who say otherwise. People who actually know him and will say he's been nothing but respectful. Odd, indeed, isn't it?
Now if you want to bash his climbing........ =)
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Dec 27, 2006 - 02:38pm PT
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Some things are actually in the public record. Those are a little harder to get around.
Sorry you got fooled again Janet, oh well, live and learn, maybe?
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Dec 27, 2006 - 03:37pm PT
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Ouch! Well, we (I) asked for details, didn't we. I don't think anyone was asking you to air your laundry.
I'm sorry to hear of your troubles, Janet. Seriously. I only spoke to you a couple of times, but you certainly seemed nice enough to me. However, this still is mainly about relationship stuff. The "coming forward" stuff people refer to is related to the other things constantly insinuated by a few.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 27, 2006 - 03:46pm PT
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Janet
I'm sorry for your hurt. The moral of the story is don't fuk with women in an abusive way. They get very mad.
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oldfart
climber
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Dec 27, 2006 - 05:55pm PT
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Dirtineye: "Sorry you got fooled again Janet, oh well, live and learn, maybe?"
I'll bet I'm not the only one that finds that amusing.
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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Dec 27, 2006 - 06:45pm PT
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Thanks Janet,
You made my day.
You can email me, and I can share some of the inconsiderate climbing partner stuff if you'd like. I have enough to make a movie.
I tried to tell you guys, but no one wanted to hear it.
Wow Randy, you really pulled the last skewer and made all the marbles fall.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Dec 27, 2006 - 07:35pm PT
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"My POINT in writing today was to retract what I said a while back about Pete being a person who is truly trying to reform himself (which, by the way, he ASKED me to write in order to help his cause here on ST"
that's pretty rich-
"please sweety, nobody on the www likes me anymore, and these nameless faceless detractors are just saying the meanest stuff about little ol' god-fearin' me, and why on earth they would all do that i just will never know. do you think that you could write a post on a climbers forum, to make me look good? paaa-weeeeze? pweety pweeze?"
snicker snicker
oh, and randy-
what i was reading into your post was just exactly that, you were asking for her to air her dirty laundry, in fact you were saying that nobody really had anything bad to say, and her stuff was just idle whining by some chick about a guy she'd broken up w/...
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Dec 27, 2006 - 08:01pm PT
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Yeah, I guess I did, in some way, didn't I, Christian. All very interesting.
Matt -- I still stand by what I said. It is still a pissed off "ex" who is airing her "personal" (should have stated my stance better perhaps) dirty laundry with Pete. It still doesn't do anything towards any of the accusations. What Janet said really doesn't contradict anything I've said, or other people who consider Pete a friend have said either.
I also find it amusing. Here we are, a jilted lover is venting and suddenly that's gospel. Again, not that I doubt what you're saying Janet, but it's kinda the same thing over and over, re: this topic. And, a jilted lover saying Pete is an ass, had another girl, etc. Well, none of it makes me think Pete is guilty of the previously mentioned accusations. None of it makes me think he's a bad person. It makes me think that you guys had a bad time, and maybe he was an as#@&%e to you and that he probably is not terribly discriminating about the women he bangs. Honestly, that sounds like quite a few wall climbers around here.
I've heard plenty of first person accounts about things that have happened while climbing with Pete. Those, I definitely take to heart and consider. I also consider that PLENTY of people here; young, old, self-proclaimed badass, or otherwise have also had plenty of the same mishaps. Dropped pigs, the works. All it does is cement in my head that when I climb with anyone; Pete, or otherwise, we all should be watching each other and checking, double-checking and then triple-checking those systems cause sh#t happens. (That's the moral for the story I've walked away with, Werner)
As far as whether or not he treats his girls with a lack of respect, or is a womanizer who has women on the side, etc., well, honestly, I could give a f*#k. Until Pete treats me, a GF or friend of mine like sh#t, then I'll still rope up with the guy, carry a load for him now and then and share beers at the end of the day.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Dec 27, 2006 - 08:31pm PT
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actually randy, she did say, and pretty clearly too, that he was interested in the most teenage looking naked chick in the whole strip club, and IMO she implied that what people may have heard about him is likely to be pretty accurate.
your "i'd rope up w/ the guy because this is all just hearsay" is the perfect example of what i was talking about when i wrote:
"well janet, it just seems to me that nobody ever wants to be explicit and on the record wrt "rattish" behavior, and then somone just keeps claiming there is nothing on the record, yadayadayada."
so, is janet now just a jilted lover?
could she write some stuff here that would turn your stomach?
would you even believe her if she did?
all i know is that pete (and people like you who schlep his bags and reputation) love to say or imply that no one really has come out and said exactly this or exactly that. seems more and more that it's just a matter of people not really wanting to talk about it, as opposed to having nothing to talk about.
(section edited out of post here)
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Dec 27, 2006 - 09:47pm PT
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Fair enough guys. Points well taken. And, again, Janet, I've really meant no offense to you and hope nothing came out as such. My points were really directed towards a stigma or behavior that happens on the Internet a lot, rather than at a person or defending Pete. Pete's a big boy and can handle that for himself.
More than anything, however, I was stating how I choose to deal with all of my relationships. Climbers and otherwise. I hear a lot of sh#t about a lot of people. And a lot of it is just that. Not to say that is or isn't the case here. Just that I try to base my relationship with someone on just that. My relationship and dealings with them.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Dec 27, 2006 - 09:48pm PT
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Gee I smell an oldfart.
You stupid sniveling anonymous piece of sh#t, come out form under your rock and accuse me of anything like what's going on with pete, and you WILL be up to your neck in trouble.
Unlike some here, I've got nothign to hide, no criminal record, and I'm going to take it out of you financially and in court if I ever catch your sorry ass causing me one bit of real trouble.
til then, enjoy your assmunching turd eating life.
And by the way, I dont think Janet, Crimpergirl, and a host of other women on this site would be not just friends but friends I've tlaked to for a couple of years or more if I were anything like what you keep on alluding to.
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oldfart
climber
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Dec 27, 2006 - 10:15pm PT
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Don't sweat it none, spurt, I don't have no assets noways.
'Course, it could be pretty dern scary if you took out after me like'n' you did them others you sued.
Weeeeoooo!
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Dec 28, 2006 - 02:25am PT
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this is such a freakin' soap opera!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Dec 28, 2006 - 07:56am PT
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LOL, Mr Crowley, you are too funny!
From your clever climbing and occult related pseudonym to your (likely correct) allusions to the bedroom and political preferences of The (Anonymous Of Course) Stinker, your words are simply priceless.
Oh the herpes issue!! One who would be keeping that a secret from possible partners, while trying to nail every girl in sight, would seem positively shameless, as well as somewhat beyond vile.
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