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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 25, 2015 - 10:21pm PT
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Geez Jody, can you read? I was pointing out the irony of someone whose job it was to enforce the laws apparently not give a sh#t about laws. That's like a surgeon not believing in evasive medicine.
BTW, Civics 101:
Legislative Branch creates law.
Judicial Branch interprets the law.
Executive Branch enforces the law.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Sep 25, 2015 - 10:58pm PT
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In the world of government, a "cut" is really just a smaller increase, ain't it?
Not necessarily.
Sometimes budgets go down.
Meanwhile Asia and Europe continue to invest.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 26, 2015 - 12:48am PT
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28.6 Vets are dying daily because of the Gov't Monster that Craig Fry and many others here adore so much.
To paraphrase the man himself, "as you know, you go to war with the VA you have, not the VA you might want or wish to have at a later time."
It couldn't possibly be because most were cast into wars we should never have been involved in by men who didn't care about the men they sent into harms way.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Sep 26, 2015 - 06:20am PT
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It couldn't possibly be because most were cast into wars we should never have been involved in by men who didn't care about the men they sent into harms way. We can begin with these two as they sent the most UNWILLING via their mandated DRAFT!!!
V I E T N A M W A R S T A T I S T I C S
Wounded: 303,704
Severely disabled: 75,000-----23,214 100% Disabled; 5,283 Lost limb; 1,081 Sustained multiple amputations.
Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WW II and 70% higher than Korea. Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WW II.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2015 - 07:20am PT
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"On this day in 1940, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signs the Selective Service and Training Act, which requires all male citizens between the ages of 26 and 35 to register for the military draft, beginning on October 16."
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Sep 26, 2015 - 07:25am PT
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Uh Chief, maybe that's because more soldiers lived with worse wounds because of, say helicopter evacuation and better/quicker medical care? So maybe, just maybe, more soldiers survived graver wounds in Vietnam than in WW2?
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Sep 26, 2015 - 07:27am PT
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And maybe, just maybe, there were more wounds to lower extremities because of f*#king disgusting land mines?
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Sep 26, 2015 - 07:53am PT
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2015 - 07:20am PT
"On this day in 1940, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signs the Selective Service and Training Act, which requires all male citizens between the ages of 26 and 35 to register for the military draft, beginning on October 16."
NOT one of the Warriors that went and fought in either Afghanistan nor Iraq were..."DRAFTED"! Not one. Each and everyone went VOLUNTARILY! Each time they deployed.
78% of all the "Boys" that went to Vietnam were DRAFTED.
Uh Chief, maybe that's because more soldiers lived with worse wounds because of, say helicopter evacuation and better/quicker medical care? So maybe, just maybe, more soldiers survived graver wounds in Vietnam than in WW2?
WTF does that have to do with the fact that after Vietnam, them "BOYS", regardless of your post above, were treated like dogshet for 15 years till Reagan and Bush told the VA to get their Shet together??
Up until 1983ish, the VA did NOTHING for them Vietnam Vets. This dude did NOTHING to repair the VA during his tenure as POTUS.
Bonerdick retiring is a MOOT issue. He is NOT the problem.
The Civilian bureaucratic Monster that has grown in DC the past seven or so years, IS!
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Sep 26, 2015 - 08:42am PT
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So soldiers and sailors are special citizens?
A protected class with better virtues than the ordinary citizen?
As for the Speaker, he was moderate in his tasks...
... compared to what will follow. Likely an idiot!
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2015 - 08:59am PT
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"NOT one of the Warriors that went and fought in either Afghanistan nor Iraq were..."DRAFTED"! Not one. Each and everyone went VOLUNTARILY! Each time they deployed.
78% of all the "Boys" that went to Vietnam were DRAFTED."
What is your point?
Chuffy wrote:
Up until 1983ish, the VA did NOTHING for them Vietnam Vets. This dude did NOTHING to repair the VA during his tenure as POTUS.
1980 Veterans Rehabilitation and Education Amendment, which increased job training and educational benefits for vets.
Who signed this into law Chuffy?
Seems Veterans Care has a long dark history in the US.
"After the Revolutionary War, for instance, payments promised by Congress to disabled veterans were left up to the states, and only a few thousand of those who served ever received anything, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Here's a time line of the many scandals the department and its predecessors have faced:
1921 -- Congress creates the Veterans Bureau to administer assistance to World War I veterans. It quickly devolves into corruption, and is abolished nine years later under a cloud of scandal.
1930 -- The Veterans Administration is established to replace the troubled Veterans Bureau and two other agencies involved in veterans' care.
1932 -- Thousands of World War I veterans and their families march on Washington to demand payment of promised war bonuses. In an embarrassing spectacle, federal troops forcibly remove veterans who refuse to end their protest.
In 1932, 10,000 WWI veterans, many unemployed, protest over pay.
In 1932, 10,000 WWI veterans, many unemployed, protest over pay.
1945 -- President Harry Truman accepts the resignation of VA Administrator Frank Hines after a series of news reports detailing shoddy care in VA-run hospitals, according to a 2010 history produced by the Independent Institute.
1946 -- The American Legion leads the charge seeking the ouster of VA Administrator Gen. Omar Bradley, citing an ongoing lack of facilities, troubles faced by hundreds of thousands of veterans in getting services and a proposal to limit access to services for some combat veterans, according to the 2010 history.
VA head Gen. Omar Bradley at a congressional hearing in 1945 asking for the creation of VA Medical Corps.
VA head Gen. Omar Bradley at a congressional hearing in 1945 asking for the creation of VA Medical Corps.
1947 -- A government commission on reforming government uncovers enormous waste, duplication and inadequate care in the VA system and calls for wholesale changes in the agency's structure.
1955 -- A second government reform commission again finds widespread instances of waste and poor care in the VA system, according to the Independent Institute.
1970s -- Veterans grow increasingly frustrated with the VA for failing to better fund treatment and assistance programs, and later to recognize exposure to the herbicide Agent Orange by troops in Vietnam as the cause for numerous medical problems among veterans.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 26, 2015 - 10:01am PT
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A protected class with better virtues than the ordinary citizen?
I don't always feel protected, but overall my virtues are definitely better than yours.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2015 - 10:01am PT
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Reagan was a great friend to Vets...http://articles.latimes.com/1987-01-02/news/mn-1667_1_farm-aid
From another link. "President Carter’s VA created the Agent Orange registry, where veterans who were worried about potential side effects could be examined. But four years later, a GAO report found that 55 percent of respondents felt that the VA’s Agent Orange examinations either weren’t thorough or they received little or no information on what long-term health impacts exposure could cause.
And President Reagan’s legacy includes a damning congressional report from 1990 that found: “The Reagan administration had adopted a legal strategy of refusing liability in military and civilian cases of contamination involving toxic chemicals and nuclear radiation. … The Federal Government has suppressed or minimized findings of ill health effects among Vietnam veterans that could be linked to Agent Orange exposure.”
But according to Chuff, Carter did nothing.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 26, 2015 - 10:05am PT
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I love my conservative friends hollering "Hey, look! We have a colored guy too!!"
Any guesses how much love Ben Carson would be getting from them if Obama had never been president?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2015 - 10:10am PT
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Saint Ronald to the vets.
So, what is the response from the Reagan Administration which, when it was trying to get elected, made lavish promises about no cuts in veterans' programs? Under the knife of David Stockman, Reagan's chief executioner, there are massive cutbacks for all American people who are most in need of government programs, and death for nearly all significant programs that vets—and particularly Vietnam vets—need most.
**At the very least, six major economic programs for Vietnam vets are targeted for assassination. Those include educational assistance through the Vets Cost of Instruction Program, employment opportunities through the Targeted Technical Assistance Program, White House Outreach for blighted Urban Areas with high vet population, Disabled Veterans Outreach Program—and the list goes on.
Further cuts include elimination of the Legal Services Corporation which is presently helping thousands of vets on discharge review, some V.A. medical research programs, some V.A. special programs such as kidney dialysis, 20,000 jobs in the V.A.'s Department of Medicine and Surgery, and 2 V.A. hospitals.**
But for many Vietnam vets the most crucial of the Reagan-Stockman slashes was the program of Vets Outreach Centers, one of the few V.A. programs which went to Vietnam vets where they were (instead of waiting for vets to trickle into the V.A. offices). Employing many Vietnam vets as counselors, and providing help with any number of vet's problems, the Outreach Centers have been, up to now, the single most successful V.A. program designed to do something for Vietnam veterans.
All in all the Reagan Administration has a hit list of 141 programs that will effect millions of people including vets and their families in nearly every economic sector of our society. One good example is in Chicago where vets were preparing to sue the Department of Labor, the Illinois Department of Labor, and the City of Chicago for non-compliance with the affirmative action program for Vietnam vets under the Vietnam Veterans Readjustment Act. Not only is the CETA program in question going to be axed, but so is the funding for the Legal Assistance Foundation which was going to bring the suit on behalf of the vets—who are left between a rock and hard place.
Proposed V.A. cuts will amount to a little more than $300 million. While that seems like an incredible amount of money to most vets, it's a mere drop in the bucket when compared to what the U.S. government is plotting to spend on "defense" over the next several years: $400.5 billion (yes, that's billion!) by 1982 alone!
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Sep 26, 2015 - 10:16am PT
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Crankster posted:
Everything sucks and you can't convince me otherwise!
That could apply to either side.
If everything was OK, why would you vote for someone vowing to "Fundamentally Change" our country?
When I travel to the 3rd world, I see what is and has been normal for eons.
I come back into this country and I see much more cleanliness (this visual is profound), more choices, more opportunity, higher standards, true economic liberalism (another word for Capitalism).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism
OK, yeah I see fat and unhappy people here, and I see good hardworking people uncomplaining in poor 3rd world conditions.
It's humanity...inspiring and pathetic.
But why would you want to "Fundamentally Change" the sweet spot here?
Small tweaks OK, but "Fundamentally Change"?
It ain't perfect, but if a person is unhappy until perfection is attained, they can't be much fun to hang with.
BITD I had an ex girlfriend like that. The breakup was liberating.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 26, 2015 - 10:32am PT
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Cool post Larry. I've had the same experiences.
That's why all the screaming about how bad things are, and liberals "destroying America" are so disturbing to me.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 26, 2015 - 10:37am PT
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The big loser here is President Obama.
Boehner spent his time and effort driving Obama's getaway car.
The next guy probably will, too. But it'll take Obama a while to get him trained, and Obama may not have that much time.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2015 - 10:42am PT
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"That's why all the screaming about how bad things are, and liberals "destroying America" are so disturbing to me."
Everything is based on fear for them, they have been using it for decades.
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c wilmot
climber
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Sep 26, 2015 - 10:43am PT
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The central valley of CA has arguably the most illegals in one area of the United States. The central valley has unemployment rates up to %20. More illegals were issued drivers licenses in the state of CA in the first half of the year than legal residents. CA allowed illegals access to Medi-cal(insurance for the poor) but now is proposing taxing cigarettes to pay for it-since adding illegals to an already burdened system was unsustainable. San Francisco reaffirmed its "sanctuary city" status despite a citizen being shot dead because of it
Hard to argue that that is beneficial for anyone other than those who benefit from cheap labor, low wages, and increased job competition.
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Sep 26, 2015 - 10:45am PT
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Idle thoughts on posts above:
Reagan screwed my Dad out of some benefits he'd been promised when the army shipped him out to the South Pacific in '45.
I don't understand how Jody and Poedtke can hate the government, when they spent their lives serving and furthering the aims of that same government.
Do you fellows consider your lives ill spent? Do you feel you were deceived into serving an evil master?
c wilmot:
Hard to argue that that is beneficial for anyone other than those who benefit from cheap labor, low wages, and increased job competition.
Bingo!
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