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McHale's Navy

Trad climber

From Panorama City, CA

Jul 30, 2015 - 10:14am PT

Here is the reality at the end of the bullshit road above:

http://kuow.org/post/northwest-poachers-rarely-caught-and-lightly-punished

Anyone that shoots game is a hunter.

Bob D'A

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Jul 30, 2015 - 10:27am PT

Give yourself a hand, birdwatchers (and if you’re also a hunter, give yourself two): a new survey conducted by Cornell University confirms you really are the salt of the Earth. Researchers wanted to know if people who spend time in the outdoors are also invested in conserving nature. The answer was a resounding yes, but still, birdwatchers took the crown.

Here are some of the findings, published in the latest issue of Journal of Wildlife Management:

Birdwatchers are more likely than any other group surveyed (hunters, hunter-birders, “non-recreationists”—we’ll call them indoor kids) to do environmentally-friendly things like recycling, conserving water or energy at home, and environmentally friendly or energy-efficient products.

Birdwatchers are five times as likely as indoorsy types to engage in wildlife and habitat conservation.

Hunters are traditionally the focus of state wildlife programs aimed at increasing conservation, but the study showed hunters are less likely than birders to participate in conservation activities (only about four times as likely as non-recreationalists) ...unless they also bird watch. In fact, people who hunted and watched birds had the greatest likelihood of all four groups surveyed to do conservation work.

As a group, birders and hunters as a group are about eight times more likely than indoorsy people to engage in conservation.

More than three quarters of all respondents said they make effort to make their yards or land more desirable to wildlife. Of those groups though, bird-watching hunters and birdwatchers were the most likely to do so—close to 100 percent of both groups said they had. (If you’re interested in doing that, here’s how.)

Birdwatchers and hunter-birdwatchers were likely to vote in support of an environmental policy or regulation—almost 75 percent of both groups said they have done so.

Hunters and indoor folks were less likely to vote in support of environmental policy or regulation—less than 50 percent of those groups had done so.

The only conservation activity that hunters were more likely to engage in than birders was “wildlife recreation advocacy” ...but the study’s authors had a pretty loose definition of “advocacy”—it included convincing others to participate in wildlife recreation activities, i.e. inviting your friends hunting with you.

Almost half of all hunter-birders have volunteered to improve wildlife habitat in their communities, the highest share of the four groups surveyed. (More than 40 percent of birders had volunteered, about 30 percent of hunters had, but only about 10 percent of non-recreationists.)

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 30, 2015 - 10:29am PT

If we follow your logic Ron, we can also credit drunk drivers for the passage of stiff laws against drunk driving.

The more popular hunting becomes, the more poaching there will be, this is particularly true in Africa where the rule of law is weak, and there is a seemingly infinite supply of "deficiently endowed 50 something males"

McHale's Navy

Trad climber

From Panorama City, CA

Jul 30, 2015 - 10:48am PT

Ron, if the Mule deer in Oregon are in such a poor state of affairs, why don't they close down hunting for them until they recover? Obviously the situation is absurd so you really don't have to answer.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 30, 2015 - 10:53am PT

rong again

http://www.wilsonhuhn.com/2012/12/hunting-demographics.html

couchmaster

climber

Jul 30, 2015 - 10:55am PT

Sadly, famous Oregon Mule deer "Buck Norris", was recently found dead of a heroin overdose: caused by the daily stress of being a target no doubt. Drugs, hate em.

Wait, that famous Oregon Mulie was "Buck Naked" that had the OD. "Buck Naked" hmm, sounds interesting...."Buck Norris" was run over. They should ban trophy hunting with cars. The car tried to "pass the buck" I suppose.

http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2015/06/02/legendary-oregon-mule-deer-buck-norris-found-dead/

As a sad side note, Oregon is having the Mule Deer decline due to a virus known as adenoviruse, aka AHD. It's a big deal.

Not sure how to respond to Dingus telling me that my point of 20,000 Zimbabwe citizens brutally murdered by an oppressive regime is insignificant compared to the death of this Lion...#BlackLivesDon'tMatterWorthACrap ? Hmmmm, it has the correct thought but comes off badly I'm afraid. Go ahead and feel free to use that hashtag Dingus.

overwatch

climber

Jul 30, 2015 - 11:08am PT

Is there a subject that you don't know more than everyone about?
It has never had a thread here.

This is a rhetorical question.

For me, the disruption you cause is not worth the knowledge you bring.

Edit:
I contribute by not being an as#@&%e to everyone and about everything

Bob D'A

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Jul 30, 2015 - 11:08am PT

From Jon link..."Ethnicity and race. Hunting is largely engaged in by non-Hispanic whites. Ninety-four percent of hunters are white. Only 2% of hunters are Hispanic, another 2% are African-American, and a tiny proportion are Asian-American.

Wildlife Watchers. During 2011 71,876,000 Americans engaged in wildlife watching- almost five times the number of hunters.

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Jul 30, 2015 - 11:22am PT

Rong is also an expert on Climate Change being a liberal hoax

His base of knowledge has no bounds, he knows all
and "all" being all rong opinions

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 30, 2015 - 11:28am PT

my original post did not even mention race, Ron dragged that dead horse to the campfire. But yes, most hunters are white.

Ron, sometimes you have to admit you are wrong, even if it contradicts your opinions.

Hint - anecdotal evidence from the local gun store is not evidence of fact

We should call the Rons collective work on ST Rongipedia

Bob D'A

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Jul 30, 2015 - 11:30am PT

Ron wrote: Yah Bob, and thanks to DU and similar organizations you can go bird watch species that benefited from those. Now, do you find your facts from BLOGS - really??

Ron...95 percent of my bird watching is on government land. A fact is a fact, so what is your point Mr Benghazi???

steveA

Trad climber

Wolfeboro, NH

Jul 30, 2015 - 11:31am PT

My wife and I went to South Africa a few months ago. These Lions were so used to humans, you would be hard stretched to call them "wild".

I assume the lion in question was quite similar, and wasn't given any kind of "sporting" chance.

McHale's Navy

Trad climber

From Panorama City, CA

Jul 30, 2015 - 11:34am PT

It seems like hunting of the mule deer of Oregon should stop so the the species can navigate the problems of drought, disease and pouching. If the species is in decline why keep killing it? It makes no sense to allow legal killing when illegal killing is out of control, supplemented by climate change and disease.

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Jul 30, 2015 - 11:35am PT

Hey, quit Bogarting the popcorn, zBrown!

atchafalaya

Boulder climber

Jul 30, 2015 - 11:45am PT

Its sad that the person who knows the least about conservation biology posts the most and dominates any discussion.

Jrig, still speculating? Or have you realized the dentist paid to kill a lion?

Bob D'A

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Jul 30, 2015 - 11:45am PT

While people of all races participate in
hunting, the majority are White. Seven
percent of the nation’s White population,
2 percent of the African American
population, 2 percent of those identified
as other races, and less than 0.5 percent
of the Asian American population went
hunting in 2011.

Ninety four percent of hunters are whites.

Eighty nine percent are males.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/fhw11-nat.pdf

Ron wrote: Jon this IS MY BUSINESS, so you , finding some article from a BLOG then know better than me with a near five decade track record? Me who sells guns to ladies every day? Me who hunts and sees those ladies in the field?

Rong again.

zBrown

Ice climber

Jul 30, 2015 - 11:47am PT

Hey there say, Billy Joe

Yes, I did, I shot her,
you know I caught her messin' 'round,
messin' 'round town.
Uh, yes I did, I shot her
you know I caught my old lady messin' 'round town.
And I gave her the gun and I shot her!

[Click to View YouTube Video]

zBrown

Ice climber

Jul 30, 2015 - 12:00pm PT

Much of the African economy revolves around trophy hunting.

A 2006 scientific paper estimated that “trophy hunting generates gross revenues of at least $201 million per year in sub-Saharan Africa: from a minimum of 18,500 clients”. It also found that “a minimum of 1,394,000 km2 is used for trophy hunting” and concluded that it creates “economic incentives for conservation over vast areas”.

What is the GDP of Africa?

GDP 2015 estimates in $Billions

1 Nigeria 657.218
2 South Africa 352.528
3 Egypt 324.267
4 Algeria 227.802
5 Angola 131.407
6 Morocco 112.552
7 Kenya 69.977 Revised to $53.40 billion(2013)[8]
8 Sudan 64.495
9 Libya 63.043
10 Ethiopia 55.522
11 Tunisia 50.026
12 Tanzania 40.244 Revised to $41.33 billion[9]
13 Ghana 35.475
14 Ivory Coast 33.963
15 DR Congo 32.665
16 Cameroon 32.163
17 Uganda 26.92 Revised to $24.69 billion[10][11]
18 Zambia 25.611
19 Gabon 20.675
20 Mozambique 16.590
21 Botswana 16.304
22 Senegal 15.881
23 Chad 15.841
24 Equatorial Guinea 15.396
25 Congo 14.114
26 Zimbabwe 13.739
27 Burkina Faso 13.382
28 Mauritius 12.720
29 Mali 12.043
30 Namibia 11.982
31 South Sudan 11.893
32 Madagascar 11.188
33 Benin 9.237
34 Niger 8.290
35 Rwanda 8.002
36 Guinea 6.770
37 Somalia 5.896
38 Sierra Leone 5.411
39 Togo 4.838
40 Malawi 4.408
41 Mauritania 4.286
42 Eritrea 3.870
43 Swaziland 3.842
44 Burundi 3.037
45 Lesotho 2.458
46 Liberia 2.073
47 Cape Verde 1.975
48 Central African Republic 1.731
49 Djibouti 1.582
50 Seychelles 1.473
51 Guinea-Bissau 1.040
52 The Gambia 0.918
53 Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic 0.908
54 Comoros 0.722
55 São Tomé and Príncipe 0.36

couchmaster

climber

Jul 30, 2015 - 12:00pm PT

McHale's Navy asked- quote -

"It seems like hunting of the mule deer of Oregon should stop so the the species can navigate the problems of drought, disease and pouching. If the species is in decline why keep killing it?"

Well, around here we hire experts to do the job of managing wildlife. They specialize in studying the science of it. Every time non-informed voters, like ourselves, get involved and make wildlife policy via popular/uninformed/knowledgeable votes, the stupidity goes off the charts and the results go straight to hell. You want examples?