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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 22, 2015 - 10:46am PT
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For these new audiences it is, and it's like mind blowing...wow, jezz and fear mongering...it's simply not knowing..dare I say it...ignorance of the subject..
But they sure do sound like they know what they are talking about huh? That's the illusion of the charlatan..lol
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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Jul 22, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
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I can see how it would be nothing new to have firearms mounted on these lil buggers, but like I said before...
I'd thought Black Ops absorbed the hardware and the people who create those rigs.
Then I wouldn't have to see youtube vids of it and get all worked up!
Messes with my profit margin for peeps to get scared of drones ya know!
Cheers
LS
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 22, 2015 - 01:42pm PT
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So now your insinuating I'm a climbing charlatan? nice..par for the course dingus...let it out man, be a ass, call me names, it happens when you lack an measurable argument..
Do you have anything of value to add to this convo or is it just a place for you to express your personal fear? I am surprised such an accomplished "climber" such as you would be so afraid of a "toy". as long as we are calling each other names, I might as well one up you and point out that your vagina is showing...
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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Jul 22, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
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I'd be wary Squishster...
I know some Vaginas that will RIP YOU UP!
Maybe it's something else you see, and you can't come up with anything other than Vagina. I mean, I know of some Vaginas that can take it all...and still be fresh for the party!
I don't see any drones with Vaginas...just sayin'
Cheers!
LS
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 22, 2015 - 02:17pm PT
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lol..yeah I rethought the vag comment afterwards..."wait there's tons of ladies in the taco (that came out funny)...oh well...you guys get what I'm saying...
Dingus here is afraid of something he knows little about, so how can he assess any risk? Pretty simple really...and that old phrase about ignorance breeding fear is exemplified here.
Dingus did you know we have been flying as high as 10,000 feet, in excess of 10 miles and at speeds over 100mph, all around your town...FOR OVER 10 YEARS!! Point at the incident that scared you so much? oh yeah you can't, because there hasn't been one...lol
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 22, 2015 - 02:22pm PT
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AGL or MSL? ;-)
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TLP
climber
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Jul 22, 2015 - 02:51pm PT
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Some of the work that I do could really make good use of drones, and for that very reason I support regulations that are very restrictive on their use, like operation only within the air space above your own private property, or property for which you have written permission, to a height of no more than 200 feet (higher only with notice and flight plan), licensing and insurance, presumptive civil and criminal liability for any consequence of their operation, individual identifiers on board (physical number) and broadcast continuously while flying, etc. No legitimate commercial operator would have a problem with any of those.
This is a standard case of people touting commercial benefits of all this money, with the risks and negatives to be borne by everyone else. If you really think they're that good of an addition to the world, support pretty rigid regulation, otherwise people who are adversely affected will put an end to them sooner or later.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 22, 2015 - 02:56pm PT
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Well put, TLP. Most drone 'uses' are on a par with 'rain-sensitive'
windshield wipers IMHO.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 22, 2015 - 03:40pm PT
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TLP - those are pretty much the conditions under which I will have to operate under with my 333 Exemption. Same with everyone with the standard 333 exemption.
There are a few more restrictions as well.
1) Line of site (daytime only)
2) Minimum two person operation (one spotter)
3) We also have to have our air craft registered with the FAA the same as any other experimental manned aerial vehicle.
4) No persons not involved with the ops can be within 500'
Although the one thing you maybe left out or didn't note - there is no restriction on flights over public (non-private) lands. Nor should there be unless there is a TFR or permanent flight restriction in place (national parks, etc.).
What do you mean by broadcast? That is not a part of the NPRM.
Currently all of my vehicles are marked with my phone number and HAM license number. I'm thinking of including as well a url that can take you straight to the details of the vehicle. and once they are registered they will have their N- tail number visibly displayed as best as possible.
But otherwise you are correct - no legit commercial operator would have any problem with these regs. and we do not. The problem is these regulations do nothing for the problems DMT is noting. It is not the commercial operators that are buzzing manned vehicles or interfering with FD ops. It's a small fraction of douc hebag idiots hobbyist idiots. And that's a complete and different set of rules. Good news there is (and I've already noted) that's something our legislators are dealing with. And as slow as they move the FAA is even slower. yay me. phhhhhpt.
We are listing our Safety guidelines on our site. I've got it web authenticated so no direct link but so far this is what we have:
Safety is objective #1 on every single mission we fly. With this in mind we've developed an aggressive safety protocol to follow to insure we maintain the best safety standards and practices available. Pre and post flight equipment inspection, constant flight testing and a strict adherence to current and proposed FAA guidelines are just a few of the ways we strive to emphasize safety and successful objective accomplishment, every time we put a vehicle in the air.
FAA guideline compliance
Pre and Post Flight Inspections
Regular Flight Log and Telemetry Reviews
Proactive Flight Path Briefings
Constant Telemetry and state of the art controller systems
Dedicated Camera Operators and Spotters for additional pilot support
Constant Flight and Safety Testing
Certified, Experienced, and Insured Pilots
Standardized Fleet components
Specifically our safety guidelines are:
Our vehicles are less than 25 kg AGW
We fly only visual line-of-site (VLOS) missions (operator or observer)
At no time are our vehicles operated over persons not directly involved in the mission
We operate only during daylight hours
We grant right-of-way to all other aircraft (manned or unmanned)
Vehicles fly at no greater than a maximum speed of 100mph
Vehicles stay below 200 feet above ground level (AGL)
For additional information on our Safety Program, or for an onsite consultation and review of your personal or company safety practices, please feel free to contact us at safety@aerialphoto.com
some of that needs to change as we wrote that before we committed to getting our exemption. the rules are a little tighter now.
and if you are curious as to what the exemptions look like and how the FAA spells it out for us you can review any of these:
https://www.faa.gov/uas/legislative_programs/section_333/333_authorizations/
we're two months before ours will be there.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 23, 2015 - 08:56am PT
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And you now trust the media? The great skeptic dingus, not only trusting them, but propagating it, lol, like a little dancing monkey..
Do you know what the reports for RC hobby aircraft are? not drones? for like the last 80 years? It's a horrible record, did you ever care? They actually never reported on them before that buzz word (drone) entered the picture, now the media has you all riled up like a big sucker (fox news potato)...congrats man...
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 23, 2015 - 08:58am PT
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While the drone sporting world explodes, you wanna worry about the hammer..
It's like bitching about no drilling in the wilderness and trying to ban all rotary electric tools to stop it...you just look retarded..
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 23, 2015 - 09:51am PT
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TLP, that's right on.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 24, 2015 - 12:06pm PT
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Let's see here...
It's illegal to fly drones over fires...
Dumb-ass flies drone over fire...
Nothing is done to catch him or stop him...they just ground all ops
Why even have laws if they don't enforce them? If some dumb-ass, and we know he's dumb because no one I know in the FPV community would do such a thing to risk headlines like that, could it be assumed the "dumb-ass" is smarter than those who are there to enforce the existing laws to prevent it from happening? Because I would have to assume, that the real dumb-asses are the ones who cannot enforce their existing laws on dumb-asses...because they are technically inferior and have no right governing that which they are incompetent about..which leads me to the source of your news..incompetence and ignorance being aggravated by dumb-ass...it's really one big sh#t show, but you're the sucker who is diving in and splashing around in it, instead of seeing it for what it is, revolutionary chaos...lol
Also, just a side note. There hasn't been any publicized prove of any of these "sightings"...just saying...please find me some before you continue..
Oh and the kid who put a gun on one, didn't get arrested for it, he was arrested for being a dumbass in an unrelated incident, but you go believing those headlines like a good sheep dingus..
while you do that, I'm planning some of the worlds largest drone events and changing history, lol. some people do, while others just sit and bitch...which are you?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 24, 2015 - 12:17pm PT
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I'm planning some of the worlds largest drone events and changing history,
If you do say say so, yourself: history cuts both ways. While I see value in drones for
agriculture, forestry, and law enforcement (a double-edged sword to be sure) I'm drawing a
blank on anything else that might prove worthwhile to me. Do enlighten us.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 24, 2015 - 12:53pm PT
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its clear we are going to have to regulate these people. They will not regulate themselves. Same old story.
There's full and complete regulation and laws governing the airspace over fires...what more can we do? It is completely regulated as it is..you are asking for ice cream when you are holding a sundae...you need to turn your emotion and focus to where it belongs and help us both out, hold our law enforcement responsible for not enacting the existing laws, plain and simple..they are making my community look bad and scaring your panties off..not to mention the full scale aircraft (reporting all this) are the very industry lobbying again drone use for fear of losing their jobs and existing industry, so I say again, show me proof of these flights...
Is the US immigration problem going to be fixed by making it more unlawful to come across borders? what does that even look like anyway? like a law with larger print? Maybe capitol letters and some bold writing to make sure people know we mean it this time? your an idiot dingus..
You are basically saying we need to keep new bolts from going in, by taking everyone's hammer...just because you are biased about this object in question does not give you the right to throw reason out the window...
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jul 24, 2015 - 01:00pm PT
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If you do say say so, yourself: history cuts both ways. While I see value in drones for
agriculture, forestry, and law enforcement (a double-edged sword to be sure) I'm drawing a
blank on anything else that might prove worthwhile to me. Do enlighten us.
Events like this below are posed to be as big as the Xgames in the future..
[Click to View YouTube Video]
People use to think skateboards were pretty pointless too, for some people and for an entire industry, doing tricks with them pays the bills (on TV even)..Drones are a new medium (and one of the best to come along) for any number of things, including recreation...I know this is hard to understand, swallow and envision...but trust me...the generations coming behind us have embraced them in ways we could have never foresaw..
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 24, 2015 - 01:08pm PT
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99.9% of all pilots do police themselves. it's the .1% that's the problem. DMT is right - same old story. doesn't matter if it's guns, climbing, or drones - there's always that minority fraction. I feel sorry for him and people like him. Horribly upset about something he cannot control. and as the industry grows and they become more prevalent then what? stroke? high blood pressure? people make their choices and that's their deal. But I do hope DMT knows I've always liked and appreciated his contributions. In this case I just think he is misguided.
BTW... the kid with the gun on the drone got arrested. not for the that incident but for something else. that kid concerns me. out on a $20k bond.
on another note I finally got around to running my survey of Voo camp through Open Drone Map. not the best results. lots of holes in the ortho. Monkey Boy says he can fix it. I'm sure he can cuz he's a genius and i'm just a hack.
and I don't know what to tell you Reilly... the racers are just having fun. How's that harming you or anyone? they race in private places and are insured and I'll wager a bet that 99.9% are responsible fliers. Let them have their fun, no?
digressing even more...
last week I want to Tacoma for my B-Day. I flew at Fort Steilacoom. Until monday it was illegal to fly in an area that is very open and very isolated. City council approved the area for flying. The next day two of the lead guys on pushing that through got "busted" for flying there. Some woman reported they flew over her which they claim they did not (and I believe them). So an officer who is also a pilot came out to have a talk with them. After about 10 minutes the woman who reported them was seen by the officer with her dog off leash. She got a ticket. Bwaaahahahahaha.
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