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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Jun 26, 2015 - 02:21pm PT
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 26, 2015 - 02:23pm PT
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Victory for Obama?
Until just recently, Obama was on the loser one-man-one-woman side. His last election, that was his position.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 26, 2015 - 02:25pm PT
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Yeah but he switched to AC/DC after Joe sorta made him.
Good enuff!!
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 26, 2015 - 02:32pm PT
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Until just recently, Obama was on the loser one-man-one-woman side. His last election, that was his position.
That was his official position.
But according to his political strategist, he was lying when he said he opposed gay marriage. So he gets "partial credit" for being for gay marriage (although not for telling the truth, but what can you say, he's a politician).
I suppose you can give some credit to Obama for appointing doctrinaire liberal justices; that's the only important thing anyway, since we all seem to agree that our version of "democracy" often means an election with 9 voters.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 26, 2015 - 02:34pm PT
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Welcome to politics, blahblah.
Surely this isn't a revelatory tactic to you?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 26, 2015 - 02:37pm PT
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Well we all agree
The Conservative Judges Suck
better make sure a Dem wins in 2016, or it will be more corrupted Conservative Judges that vote the wrong way on every important issue
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Jun 26, 2015 - 02:43pm PT
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I liked what Justice Kennedy had to say about the whole thing
No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jun 26, 2015 - 02:43pm PT
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How refreshing to see the SCOTUS to make it legal for even more people to love each other.
Yet more proof that the U.S. can still be called the land of the free. Good for you guys and gals.
Gotta admit, though - I share the unease of others that it was a 5-4 decision.
P.S: RCur: FYI - ALL species of geese can be gay... even American geese. Snort.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 26, 2015 - 02:46pm PT
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Major victories for Obama and his legacy this week, like it or not the man is changing America and in my view for the better.e
Which reminds me, whether or not Silver ever show back up here, he still owes me a hundred bucks!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 26, 2015 - 02:56pm PT
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The hatred of Citizens United would continue to amuse me if that hatred were not irrational. McCain-Feingold gave unlimited power for media outlets to say whatever they wanted whenever they wanted, but limited the power of everyone else. In effect, McCain-Feingold, says if you're wealthy enough to own a media outlet you can say what you want, but if you only have neough money to rent a media outlet for half-an-hour, we can restrict what you say based on your content.
Terrifyingly for those of us who believe in the First Amendment, the dissent in Citizens United saw no problem with McCain-Feingold, despite the language of the First Amendment stating:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
The attacks on the case reflect nothing more than the desire of the left to use the force of government, rather than logic, to silence those with whom they disagree.
John
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 26, 2015 - 03:11pm PT
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JohnE,
counselor, you are trained as an attorney to be able to argue both sides
I would like to read your argument as if you were before the SC in opposition to CU
How about it John, we all know very well your support but at some point can I assume
that you actually thought about CU in an unbiased analysis prior to making your decision?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 26, 2015 - 04:06pm PT
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I just heard the following comment on the radio regarding the decision:
'I just don't believe in homosexuality, and gay marriage.'
WTF is up with language like that from detractors of gay marriage, or global warming?
It's not a religion...these things actually exist...yet detractor treat them like they are a belief system?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jun 26, 2015 - 04:22pm PT
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Heh heh.
Hannity said balls.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 26, 2015 - 04:27pm PT
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Can someone strip in Cruz's face on Locker's ballcupping pic as the cupper to Hannity's cuppee?
That would be priceless.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 26, 2015 - 04:29pm PT
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The more I learn about a lot of these contentious SCOTUS cases the more I realize talk of just strictly interpreting the constitution is for the most part lip service. Laws are often vague or up for interpretation for some other reason. Otherwise there would not be so many 5-4 decisions, most would be 9-0. The judges are using their beliefs, reason, public sentiment, history, and to some extent what the constitution and laws actually read to make their decisions. Of course they can't completely ignore the law but there's enough grey areas to make their conflicting points.
For example blahblah wrote with regards to Obamacare:
Someone must not have been following the news very closely this week, where the Court in effect rewrote "established by the state" to mean "established by the state or federal government."
Maybe that's for the best and the decision wasn't a surprise to anyone (certainly not to me), but that's about as clear a case of rewriting as we'll ever see.
But the law was rewritten when it was a bill in other sections, when it became clear not all states would setup exchanges, to read "the state or federal government" and they most likely just forgot to update this one section. Otherwise the whole act didn't make sense. So the judges who want to support Obamacare take it one way, and the judges who want to strike down Obamacare take it the other way. They both kind of have a point. But it would be interesting to look back at Scalia's previous opionions (and the others who voted with him) to see when HE voted for the spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law, because I'd bet there's been cases where he voted for the spirit of the law when it suited his reasons/beliefs.
I'd like to think if I was a SCOTUS judge I'd be impartial. And I guess I would be as much as possible. e.g. for me "all men are created equal" means gay marriage should be legal, but I know myself and human nature enough to know that my worldview would play a part in my decision making. At least I have the honesty and self awareness to admit it.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 26, 2015 - 04:35pm PT
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Let me see....Kennedy is a moderate/conservative repub, Roberts is a conservative one. Scalia, Thomas and Alito are right wing nuts way out of the mainstream, looks like a packed court to me.....and yet we get the judgments of the past few days. They must have had a lot of merit.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 26, 2015 - 04:40pm PT
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Yeah Jim... and when Roberts was giving the opinion yesterday everyone wondered WTF.
thanks Cosmic!
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 26, 2015 - 04:47pm PT
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It's all Scripted Hollywood, so we don't think about the REAL issues facing our country.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 26, 2015 - 04:58pm PT
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Obama is some very select company right now...he has done what very few presidents have been able to accomplished. He makes very proud.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 26, 2015 - 04:59pm PT
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What did Obama have to do with this?
Did he bring the case or write the majority opinion?
Isn't this going down like Marx said it would?
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