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Slakkey
Trad climber
From a Quiet Place by the Lake
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Oct 19, 2006 - 11:53pm PT
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I have read through this thread several times to try and formulate my own opinion. I do tend to agee with Happie. The timing and cicumstances here tend to make this look a little suspect. However I truely tried to weigh both sides.
Tim, It takes a truely good person to do what you have done to date for JB. Your dedication and persistance no doubt has brought the attention that this deserves.
However it takes an even bigger person to say that although you appreciate the kindness of others that under the circumstances it is best that the funds do go to John and that although many people have said that you are welcome to their share you respectivly delcline. The money donated to date and in the future should go to the respected funds either that be JB. or Steve K. If people who are in charge of those funds decide to distribute monies to other cases such as Climbers in need then that should go through the proper course of action. That being the money is donated on behalf of the person that the fund is designated for and then a formal announcement that certian amounts have been awarded to those in need.
Tim, I trust you will do the right thing and hope that this does not turn into an ugly affair.
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arnoilgner
climber
la vergne, TN
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Oct 20, 2006 - 06:26am PT
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I'd like to begin by saying that I DO NOT agree with what has happened here. Here's why.
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First, was I wrong to assume that John Bachar didn't have insurance? Why was this fund raiser started in the first place? Now we find out John had insurance all along. Didn't Tim check this out before rallying the industry? Sure, there is a percentage (like the deductable and other expenses) that medical insurance doesn't cover. But, usually folks have some funds to cover such costs. Or, Tim could have found out what the actual need was by checking with John's insurance company.
Second, I like to choose the folks and organizations I donate to. For example, I donate to organizations that help the homeless, organizations that help access issues (AF), friends and family in need, etc. I do not like "giving" forced on me. John Bachar is on my list of folks to help; Tim Greene is not. Sorry Tim. Helping the homeless is on my list; creating a fund to help climbers who don't have medical insurance is not. As cold as this may seem, realize, we all have to draw the line somewhere. I draw the line, in this case, between Bachar and Greene; between the homeless and a "lack of medical insurance climbing public." There are plenty of folks in my circle of friends, family, organizations that fight for issues I feel are important that need my support.
This whole situation was not communicated clearly up front. Tim has mis lead us, not necessarily intentionally, but we have been mis lead.
I'll probably get a lot of flack for these comments, but felt the need to express them anyway.
arno
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