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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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Locker laughed at "Reductio ad Hitlerum" so I love him again. I was wrong to get miffed.
Anita, who are you that goes around saying Shrubbery to old ladies?
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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I appreciate Chris's intent to reduce the rancor on the forum, but as one who has spent way too much time on various forums over the past 20 years I can sadly say that whether or not a forum is heavily moderated or anything goes, there will be some folks that are just bent on pushing other peoples buttons, and anything short of banning them just isn't going to work. As climbers who are generally independently spirited and at best bristle at any attempt to curb that spirit, the backlash is to be expected.
Don't know if this software allows it, but on UBB forums there is an option for each user to black posts from whatever posters they select. That way everyone has their own personal level of filtering out people that they'd rather not interact with.
After having taken a ~3 year hiatus from supertopo, I can say it doesn't seem to have changed at all. That's both good and bad ;)
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Don't know if this software allows it, but on UBB forums there is an option for each user to black posts from whatever posters they select.
there is
Greasemonkey
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Hmmm. Editorial control strikes Supertopo in 2015. The party is over.
This thread is degenerating into Locker personal attacks on well deserved. He is the coyote feeding on the carrion that others leaving lying around. The unfinished picnic lunch on the table at Quail Springs.
If I were moderator (instead of too lazy to create such a beautiful forum) I would:
1. Notify rules offenders with an email. About 3 times.
2. Delete their offending posts.
3. After 3 hours of company time spent moderating the offending personality switch off their account.
But all this costs money.
Adding positive content to this site makes money for the host. (Well deserved.)
Inflaming conflict and upset on and on costs him money. (Not deserved.)
So you are part of the solution or part of the problem.
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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It seems to me that freezing a thread, because of uncivil behavior by a few, doesn't adequately or correctly address the root problem.
Shouldn't the few be chastened, yellow-carded, or held accountable for their behavior instead? Warn, then freeze the offending idiot. And don't delete content, since it ruins the remaining thread. Don't apply a global fix for a localized problem. This, is a Republican approach that is ill-suited to the problem.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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My mind is stuck on a tune at present. Maybe it needs a home, and this thread is that home, and if I leave it here, it will leave me.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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You must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest... with... A HERRING!
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Yes, that makes rythmical sense and would surely help, but I'm too lazy...
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Whatever personality traits people have they likely peak in the fifties when energy is still high and a lifetime of validation is in play.
By the 70's and 80's the fires have banked and the smoke has settled allowing a clearer view of the fact that it didn't matter that much after all.
Thanks jim usually to deal with narcissism you just have to let it grow out of them..
for you baby-boomer locker!
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Rmuir, a Republican approach?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Rmuir, a Republican approach?
I thought it was a brilliant way for Robs to subvert the implicit intention of this thread!
John
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Jones in LA
Mountain climber
Tarzana, California
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The campfire analogy has some appeal, but in reality, it's not analogous to what can and does happen in a forum such as this. Even in the midst of heated debate, real-life campfire attendees who are speaking with each other face-to-face will naturally show at least some level of civility, for fear of being ostracized by the group (in real-time). On the other hand, there will be virtual campfire attendees, who, as they sit alone -- slumped across the computer keyboard in the basement of their Mom's house, feel no such fear at all.
Rich Jones
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Jones in LA
Mountain climber
Tarzana, California
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@mcguzzy -- yes, civility can be portioned in infinitesimally small pieces :-)
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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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"I came in here for an argument."
"Oh,sorry, this is abuse. You want 12a. Next door."
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P.s. Don't censor the community. Climbers are boring when they only talk about climbing and training. The opportunity to learn from our mistakes and to grow is tied up in freedom. It's messy but it's still a good thing.
The ugly threads are easily avoided. If it doesn't have a home then it will permeate the rest of the topics. Let them have their 50,000 posts of pure genius.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Yes, climbers can be boring when they talk only about climbing but consider the wrong minded, fatuous and downright egregious shite that comes out of their mouths when they pontificate about things they are passionate about but have little knowledge of.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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clicks all pay the same regardless of political affiliation.
anyone stop to consider that The Macster might be a climate denying Republican tired of sitting idly by while a bunch of blue lefty eco terrorists run rampant in his virtual house?.....nah....couldn't be.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Getting back to the frothing topic of the forum.
Age demographics are important. The above posters mentioned 40 years and beyond. Forties not really that young. Just wondering how many 20 to 30 year old climbers we have here on ST? If none we are dinosaur material.
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crankster
Trad climber
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My guess on the Supertopo forum demographics:
99% white
95% men
45% > over 50
45% 30 - 50
10% < 30
The above should explain why political or current event threads get contentious.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Welcome to preschool. Be good boys and girls or else you will have a time out.
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WBraun
climber
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Dead school, zombies and a anonymous loud mouth ....
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