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Blakey
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Sierra Vista
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It may have already been posted, but some may not be aware that one of the two policemen killed in the Hebdo attack was a Muslim, Ahmed Merabet, a 42 year old cop.
An important part of the desired cause and effect of such attacks is to polarize communities, up the tempo of tit for tat extremism and even better get the government to crack down in some repressive way on the perceived 'evil' population.
I have absolutely no doubt that the vast majority of Muslims in France, and the UK deplore such attacks, but it is unfortunate that they do not express their condemnation better; more loudly and publically than they do.
After such events there is a tendency for the Muslim communities to hunker down, while the furore rages, a reflection that most (Here in the UK) remain closed communities.
Imams and congregations need to be seen to be denouncing terrorism in the name of Islam, getting out on the streets with the rest of the population, rather than issuing press releases. It's really important that they walk the walk, and that the attacks are seen to make society(ies) draw together, not apart.
Steve
Steve
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I was talking to my Syrian, albeit Christian, friend last night. He just got himself a new
Ford F150 Crew Cab 4x4. That rig will rock the Casbah. He knows how to assimilate.
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John M
climber
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Someday, I hope you lose friends or god forbid family to an attack such as 9/11.
Then, you and others here that feel the same as you do might just understand Gunkie's post.
Nah... you're to self-centered and brainwashed.
I lost a very dear friend in 9/11. Please don't tell me how I should or shouldn't think because of that horrid event, or what I would or wouldn't feel. Darren Bohan was an awesome person and wouldn't hurt a fly, except perhaps to catch a fish. He loved to go fishing in the back of beyond. He would hate that people are turning on a group of people for what a few within that group are doing. I do understand how Gunkie feels. I don't agree with what he is doing with those feelings.
Darren was a bohemian hippie working as an accountant on Wall street. Go figure that out. He once spent 3 weeks by himself in the back country of Yosemite living mostly off of fish. When he hiked out his cheap ass tennis shoes had nearly completely fallen apart. He had them held together with duct tape. He said he didn't want to interrupt a great time just for some shoes.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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9/11 changed me. I don't hire Muslims. Might be the nicest person and best fit for the position, but they probably pray at a mosque where they donate money. That mosque probably funds some charities in the middle east. Some of those charities are probably fronts for terrorist groups that want to kill me and my family. That's life in my new reality.
That might be your reality, but it's not mine. Seriously stop watching TV if you can. The stuff is poison.
Nobody wants to kill you and your family or you'd all be dead. That's reality.
9/11 changed everyone and I bought the orignal story too for many years. Doesn't make any sense now though. Doubt we'll ever know the truth that lies somewhere between the nonsense gov't story and the nonsense Infowars story.
If the enemy were truly "radical Muslims wanting to kill us for our freedoms" we'd be stacking the dead like cordwood all over this country. We're not, because that BS.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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I agree that there are problems unique to Islam that pose major threats to the world.. But that doesn't mean I take that thought process to the extreme. Just as I believe that Christian groups are a massive cause of hate in this world I will gladly work along side one of the good ones, because Islam and Christianity aren't going to go away - nor should they. But we need open discussions about the ramifications of their teachings without punishing those that are innocent - unless you'd like to divide the line further ;)
Love ya Chief!
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John M
climber
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There are radical insane people, a few of which in their twisted minds believe that they are doing something that God wants. God would never want this, though I can say I would like to go all old testament on those who would kill or destroy over something like a cartoon.
I wish people would treat each other with more respect. Up to and including those who believe in something different from you. The religious should respect the scientists and the atheist alike. The scientist and the atheist should respect the religious. Not in the sense of allowing them to do whatever they want, on either side, (not that I believe that there truly is a '"side", or that they aren't compatible), but rather in the sense of respecting the basis of their being, that they are humans.
These acts of terrorism, they are cowardly acts done by brainwashed people who have completely lost their way. These acts should be soundly condemned. Including as Bookworm said, the killing of Christians just because they are Christians.
Larry Nelson posted this earlier. I thought is was so true and needed to be said.
The Egyptian President addressed this on New Years day.
You, imams, are responsible before Allah. The entire world, I say it again, the entire world is waiting for your next move…
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi on Jan 1 2015.
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/egypts-sisi-islamic-thinking-is-antagonizing-the-entire-world/
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Chief,
Thousands of people get murdered in all kinds of horrible ways every single day all around the world as those pictures you presented clearly show. You could take select snapshots of countless other atrocities to drive towards countless other false premises. Emotion does that. That's why propaganda is so effective. I could just as easily take photos of genocide in Africa, gang murders in the US, burning buildings in Ferguson, and then point a finger at a certain race.
My point is that to say "it was because they were Muslims which is an evil religion" is the complete nonsense part.
The French murders should be dealt with as just that, murders. Find the offenders, figure out who/why/how to the extent that we can, and then hang them.
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couchmaster
climber
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Bookworm said: "the number of christians murdered in 2014 for practicing their faith doubled from 2013 and nearly tripled from 2012, but that wasn't worth a new thread
kill a dozen liberal journalists, however, and release a deluge of outrage"
The outrage isn't because they were liberal journalists and you know it.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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The real problem is that john and the chief are both right : /
Ah, the Grey that is the Middle East..
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Perhaps they were Chief.
And if that's the case, and there is a "conspiracy" in Pakistan then the same process of investigation might lead to the killers and planners.
But every murder is local and it starts with the scene of the crime and evidence left.
Have you visited any local mosques? I have. Not because I'm religious in the least but because I'm curious by nature. The many muslims I know are educated and peaceful people just like you and me.
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Religion is so great! So much love, peace, goodwill, and understanding between the the world religions today!
Why would you trust a human being who believes in magic? Better yet how could you let said person who believes in magic represent you in congress?
trust science.
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John M
climber
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He was being sarcastic chief.
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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next time a monotheistic religion puts a satellite in orbit or treats some type cancer, let me know!
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Because tribe is more important?
As long as the tribe is the atheist tribe....
I suppose I do not understand your question DMT.
In terms of political leadership, tribe is of no importance. I could care less what ethnicity you are. The only thing I care about is if you believe in the golden rule and you are not a member of organized religion.
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WBraun
climber
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Stupid Americans
Criminals have no religion.
They hide behind anything to protect their criminal nature ......
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Never been to the middle east or SE Asia. As a historian, I understand the post WWI mandates and some of the historic tribes... ie. the split of sunni and shia over the succession of Ali or Abu Bakar.
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I dont need to go there to understand tribal warfare. These people hate us and each other. Lets take all of our McDonalds and military equipment home, stop sending drones in wedding parties, and let them do whatever they want
But please enlighten me Chief.
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WBraun
climber
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Never been to the middle east or SE Asia. As a historian, I understand
Thus you're just a book know it all with no real life experience.
Worthless ...
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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haha ok Werner.
I am a young climber w/o your c*#k in his mouth. Why would you think your incoherent ramblings mean anything to me? You dont get Camp 4 points in this discussion friend.
DMT I see,
I would question where each of the two hypothetical candidates informed themselves, ie what influenced the planks of your platform. Then decide.
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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DMT I SUPPOSE I would.
I dont think in a real election it could happen this way, but yes...
I would vote for a theist who could explain his logic and party planks using history, current events, and impressive linguistic skills over an athiest who could not.
Wait a second, I would actually write in Walt Disney like thousands of other Americans every election.
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