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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Dec 12, 2014 - 08:09am PT
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DMT, as a future inmate I appreciate your posts and sentiments.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Dec 12, 2014 - 08:24am PT
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For whatever perceived faults, some might see, this is the best rockclimbing forum around, period.
I like your forum just the way it is.
Please don't change anything
But if your going to make changes think of this. Make people use real names, that way the haters can not hide behind fake identities, and sling poo without regard for their reputations.
Guy Keesee
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Dec 12, 2014 - 09:32am PT
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A second vote for Dingus McGee's priority queuing proposal---best compromise idea by far. Keeps the wild west atmosphere some folks like while giving climbing-related stuff a chance to be seen before being jostled out of sight (I'm tempted to write out of site) by the OT argumentative threads.
But someone has to manage the priority assignments...there's the rub.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Dec 12, 2014 - 09:45am PT
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Let freedom take its chances. This is such a low consequences environment that it's a perfect venue for the anarchy approach.
As our benevolent dictator you, Chris, can delete threads and commenters. As it should be. The collective has a voice and that should be enough. It is working.
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Dec 12, 2014 - 09:55am PT
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Chris, it is great to have an opportunity to share our thoughts on this topic. Thanks. I have read almost all the responses and it seems to me that the problem is not the topic as much as the content. So no, don't zap the OT threads or reorganize how it looks.
There are abusers, bullies and angry folk which is "the problem". That those are the ones that post the most. I don't know. The OT threads have a place and I can choose to read them or not. I have learned much from the OT threads.
Russ, Anders and Bill seem to have the same thought as me. The lay out is what makes ST what it is. It is some individuals that tend to ruin it. I think that if the bullies knew their posting rights were in jeopardy it would change how much nastiness was on our forum. Whether it is in the form of limiting how many post one can have a day or whether its getting banned from the site.
Its a tough job to keep it wild and free but also directed and contained. Good luck with what ever you decide Chris. ST is and incredible resource and I and many are grateful for its existence.
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CCT
Trad climber
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Dec 12, 2014 - 10:21am PT
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I'd like to see a "report abuse" button attached to each post. I don't really care about the off-topic threads (I just don't click on them), but it bothers me when an on-topic thread is suddenly interrupted by a racist comment, or a naked person. Not cool, not family friendly.
This seems to be standard at most websites with comment sections.
Thanks for asking, Chris!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 12, 2014 - 10:22am PT
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What the hell is 'priority queuing'? Does that mean we gotta make a
reservation to talk sh!t?
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Dec 12, 2014 - 10:23am PT
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Does that mean we gotta make a
reservation to talk sh!t?
"Donner, party of 8, your time is ready"
Susan
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Dec 12, 2014 - 11:15am PT
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Haha! Good one, Susan.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Dec 12, 2014 - 11:35am PT
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Right now there are 3 blatantly political threads on the first page. To me that's not much of a problem. So you have to click through to page 2 or 3 to see all the active climbing topics, not a big deal IMO.
I think It's more important for all concerned users to bump climbing topics with any response, than to try to keep very OT threads off.
It's the same dozen or so people in the poli threads constantly arguing with each other. Never changing minds. A weird exercise in futility that keeps them from monopolizing other threads, so I think it's fine.
I don't think anything should be done that adds any manual moderating. e.g. as soon as you add an OT tab who polices that? Not worth it IMO.
I read the posts in the past about installing the grease monkey script on your browser to hide certain posters. I never did it because I usually have the will power to skip over posters whose responses are a waste of my time or vitriolic. But that would be one addition to the site I would like to see. Instead of having to look at who the response was from and then skipping it I just wouldn't have to see responses from certain nasty or verbose posters. It would just make it a little easier to ignore them. And I think it may help with people complaining to the site owners.
There's only a few posters I would like to hide, but in some threads they contribute a significant percentage of all words posted.
P.S. if there was a report abuse button as suggested above, I'd recommend it would be like craigslist where after a certain number of people click it the post just disappears. Don't add any more work for the site owners.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 12, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
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Hire Scrubbing Bubbles to do the moderating
I trust his/her judgement.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 12, 2014 - 01:53pm PT
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Reilly...You're the Richard Sherman of Supertopo trash talking...Table for one is ready...
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Dec 12, 2014 - 02:18pm PT
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We are climbers. We're also citizens. We share certain values. Is politics really off-topic? Access issues are being decided by policy makers now and in the future. What about climate change? Maybe it won't have a significant effect on me, but what about future access?
It seems reasonable that we would want to discuss these things among our tribe. I agree with those who have said that the few right-wing nut cases are the problem. They discourage any type of informed, intelligent discussion. It's not the topic. We should be paying attention to topics that effect policy, environment and potential access.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 12, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
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"I agree with those who have said that the few right-wing nut cases are the problem."
They prefer to call themselves 'Independents'. Nobody can tell the difference, though.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Dec 12, 2014 - 02:24pm PT
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Anders complains about:
Crackpots and extremists galore.
So I have to ask: You do understand this is a site for rock climbers?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dec 12, 2014 - 02:36pm PT
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I don't give a shit!
I like it the way it is or has been for over ten years!!
..I remember when topics were standing on the front page for 3 to 5 days!!!
were just a bunch of rock climbers with one thing in common the Super taco!
I dig this place..
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Dec 12, 2014 - 02:39pm PT
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KISS
Keep It Simple Stupid.
It's a wonder some of you figured out how to procreate.
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Heisenberg
Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
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Dec 12, 2014 - 03:10pm PT
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This topic coming from the owner of the site who posts a video about a cat chasing a laser?
Really. Is that a relevant climbing topic.
The decline of this site has been long in the coming with multiple people leaving the site due to poor management. Not only from personal attacks, lack of actual climbing topics and up to date route information.
This has become a site of political BS of people who use to climb and sit around a " virtual campfire " spewing attacks and political non-sense.
If I want climbing info I go to Mountain Project.
News and political issues NPR or CNN.
Drama I go to supertopo.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Dec 12, 2014 - 04:02pm PT
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Yeah, this place should be run more like AOL
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wstmrnclmr
Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
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Dec 12, 2014 - 04:12pm PT
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The question seems to be about balancing a business and how relinquishing any control of the site to the users might affect the business. There has been discussion among friends as to how a community based, not for profit site, using buttons, might compare to one that is run as a business. This is not a knock on the moderators as it must be tricky to balance the business vs. public site question.
I wonder how important the site is to the business aspect of selling. I suspect it's fairly important. I think the moderators do a decent job given that they have to balance the needs of the business with that of the community and, ofcourse, it's there business and to allow the community any control over the site would be to potentially allow the community to influence the business which would be a bad business decision.
Tough one but the site is definitely going down hill from my perspective because it is difficult to have a good thread deleted containing some great information due to bad actors.
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