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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Ha! I see... You know, I was wondering if it was something along those lines but I remember it as 15 minutes?!
What the hell, let's take 5...
I could get shot for this. There is a lot around and the access can be an issue depending on time of season, snow machine, etc. Give a shout next time and I can give you some real-time beta. Or some PM maps..
In the meantime, think: slog, views, wolves, blue smoke, nobody, micro-zones, dogs, elk stix, nobody, critters, slog, quiet -> so therefore, a very low-bro zone. Not at all the best GnarGnar but damn, the space, the space. It can almost be too much at ti....well, not really.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2014 - 01:43pm PT
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Very Caring and true,thank you Tami:) You as well Cragar.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2014 - 01:49pm PT
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Yes ,the space.....
I have drifted,I blame Locker.
Hey,the work day is over.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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I've been rockin' the "Nobody Cares That You Tele" bumper sticker so long it's almost illegible. No one gets it.
I mix it up still, lockin' the heels down, but there's nothing like tele turns in powder. If you get it you get it.
I can't really think of an appropriate climbing analogy. There is none. Maybe great ice sticks or perfect hands, but those are so fleeting.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Which skier is having the most fun in the Selkirks? The AT skier on the left or the tele skier on the right?
Anyway you cut it, skiing is a pure joy!
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Urmas
Social climber
Sierra Eastside
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I don't care what anyone else thinks, but I care if I tele! It feels so good - there's no utilitarian argument that would convince anybody - but you know it if you have experienced it. In the powder, especially. The telemark lead change gives you an added dimension of movement that gives you one more way to massage the snow, and be massaged in return. But like many of the best things in life, you have to pay some dues to get there. People who say they don't care if you tele, are really saying they don't want to put in the effort to learn. They don't know what they're missing - and shrug it off by saying they don't care.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Long may you turn Urmas, see you this winter......Praise Ningue!!!!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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I don't care if you tele when there's a stelly on my frontal lobes...
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sempervirens
climber
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Does anyone have a link to Andrew McClean's essay on telemarking? I read it several years ago and it is amusing. I can't find it, might have been published in Backcountry or Couloir.
In the last 12 years (they go by fast, eh) I've only telly'd, but only because I'm too cheap to upgrade my alpine gear. They compliment each other. Striding,skating, alpine, and telly are all complimentary. And so damn much fun. Snowboarding didn't like me.
More importantly, it is finally precipitating in northern California. Church is for people who don't know how to ski.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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I've done a lot of alpine and a fair amount of tele and snowboarding.
For many aspects of objective downhill performance (e.g. Time/speed on most types of race courses, the biggest air, the most flips and/or spins possible) I don't think you can beat alpine. It's a more natural position. Alpine is also nice in that you can bang out a bunch of quick turns or throw down some long arcs, your choice.
Teles shine when touring with a lot of transitions from flat to downhill,, the gear is really comfortable, the tele turn feels great and gets you lower for more face shots in powder.
Boarding is great for relaxed riding, standing comfortably on both legs and arcing smooth turns. It has its own unique and fulfilling feel too.
To me they are all very good and I could give up any of them and remain 99% as happy.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Urmas. there you are with your telle elitist BS. many of us are pretty decent telle skiers and were actually pretty darn good at one point or annother but old knees don't like telle turns all that much. I shure as hell am not going to drop that knee just so everyone is shure to know that i am on telles. A shure sign of someone thinks they are extra cool for telleing is the long slow extra deep telle slide into the lift line;)
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2014 - 05:11am PT
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Urmas touched on the "Apathy" I HUMOR with here.
I do not think it is based in anything elitist.
Maybe with the groomer crowd,I would not know.I predominantly ski BC.
My kinship to any form of skiing comes from 40 years of Hockey and Speed skating.Growing up in the level of Hockey I was playing there was no room[read had to chose]between skiing and hockey.
That said ,I would still sneak off and ski with friends at night at the local CC area,Mendon Ponds.
It was not until my Hockey career and SS had run it's course.
Aided by the crushing blow of Eric Heiden crushing everyone at Lake Placids 76 Olympic tryout .
I did my first Hockey stops on free heel gear soon after.Then the work began.
I ski with splitboarders,AT,skate skiers and even when inbounds ,Downhill racers.
That is a Big part of where I live.
Flyin' Ian,the splitboarder from Vermont,hard to keep with.
Thom ,the Paramarker,who you could not tell what kind of gear he skis.He ,for awhile taught skiers at a local hill how to ski Alpine,on free heel gear.
Bruce,man,I cannot make a thing out in those photos,those are some sick ski objectives.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2014 - 06:00am PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
For me ,mobility is the key,here in the east,or deep out back in the west,to find the goods,one has to be mobile,in comfort.
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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People that think there are any serious advantages to having a free heel, in terms of actual skiing, are fooling themselves. Yes the boots are more comfy, and yes there's more ease of mobility for walking around in and out of your skis (this helps a lot when I'm setting camera traps for rabbits), on really slow and methodical, technical downhills I feel like I have a slight advantage with that added flexibility/mobility, etc., etc., but otherwise, all I see are disadvantages in terms of stability, efficiency, safety, etc. Front-pointing up the firm without crampons and a floppy toe is way sketchier. I wear myself out before my friends do. (Some of) my friends have to wait for me at the bottom. Etc. However, it is an undeniably more expressive and fun way to get down the hill. I'd say ~ 95% of my friends have gone over to Dynafits, at least for the majority of their ski time (i.e., they still tele when with the kids at the resort), but I don't see myself ever going over to the dark side. I ski for fun. Tele, to me, is just plain way more fun. YMMV.
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Urmas
Social climber
Sierra Eastside
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Telemark skiing is like driving an old classic sports car: It's fun, even though my Subaru goes faster, and probably even generates more G force in turns, but when it comes to "road feel" the old vehicle wins hands down!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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A really good skier with modern telle gear can do anything a AT or downhill skier can do. it's just a little more work and not always as fast but it ain't that big a deal.. it's just sking:)
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2014 - 05:07pm PT
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Just imagining that tune with a raspy guitar track as done by Roy Buchanan along with it.
On his Tele......LOL.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
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Just for clarification here:
I started this tread as a veiled joke to get stoked, with some new skis,hoping it would rub off ,knowing there are some very talented Telemark skiers here.
I am not comparing telemark skiing to any other form of sliding.
Look at the opening video and see how far telemark skiing has come.I mean backwards tele landings from tele jumps.Holy crap!I can barely do a backward tele let alone nail landings.....lol.
Even at my best form,years ago,it was not that I did not have the balls,just did not have that kind of talent ,on any free heel equipment.
The part about caring, I do jest,having a little fun.
But really,I work at a bike shop,we sell and rent nordic gear.
Fatbikes that folks ride in the winter are outselling skis 15 to 1.
We used to sell a bunch of nordic gear,skate,classic and telemark.
The drop off in the last 10 years has been hard to quantify.
I could care less about those who put out that sticker.I have seen it for years.
The thing is,it is true.
The two mountains[ski areas]near me do not even have telemark instructors,they did,good friends of mine,for years.
My friends at Pack,Paddle and Ski[a guide] do not even offer BC or ski trips anymore,something they did for years.
I know that is the reality.
Just do not have to like it.
So,I care.
Love the comments.
Thank you all so far ,I do appreciate the "caring."
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