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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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i MUST ask YOU how much $$$ you have donated annually directly to animal causes that actually benefited animals, and how much labor/effort/time youve given on the ground to those causes.??
Not that I need to defend myself to you Ron but I spend a lot of time, effort and money to help animal causes.
You are not "helping" animals by killing them Ron.
In my opinion responsible hunting is acceptable, especially if it is for only you and your family.
I think factory farming is horrendous. Basically all of us should eat less meat!
I think a plant based diet is not only better for you. It is better for everyone on this overcrowded planet.
I feel sorry for all of the animals out there trying to make it while we breed ourselves and all other species into extinction.
7 billion against the population of any other animal species means they don't have a chance.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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This is really funny.
Hunters don't GIVE 14 billion dollars Ron to wildlife. Just admit it.
They buy gun, gasoline, bullets, clothes, shoes licenses and so on...there are taxes on these things which of a percentage goes to city, county, state and federal governments of which a percentage goes to wildlife management programs.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Wow, JR, thank you for the link to the Arizona Game and Fish Department, an organization that I completely support.
Here are some interesting Facts from the link:
Arizona sportsmen’s contributions*
No state general fund monies are used for wildlife conservation in Arizona (In many states, general taxpayers usually do not pay for wildlife conservation). Arizona's sportsmen, however, do contribute:
Arizona hunters and anglers spend $1.3 billion a year.
Their spending directly supports 21,000 jobs and generates $124 million in state and local taxes. This especially benefits rural communities.
Sportsmen support nearly twice as many jobs in Arizona as Raytheon, one of the state’s largest employers (21,000 jobs vs. 11,000 jobs).
Annual spending by Arizona sportsmen is nearly three times more than the combined revenues of The Go Daddy Group, Sprouts Farmers Market and Cold Stone Creamery, which are some of the state’s fastest growing companies ($1.3 billion vs. $481 million).
The economic stimulus of hunting and fishing equates to $3.8 million a day being pumped into the state’s economy.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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I like what this says, as well:
Arizona's 7-core concepts of conservation:
Wildlife is held in the public trust;
Regulated commerce in wildlife;
Hunting and angling laws are created through
the public process;
Hunting and angling opportunities for all;
Hunters and anglers fund conservation;
Wildlife is an international resource;
Science is the basis for wildlife policy.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Wow, who would have thought this to be true?
Sportsmen’s role in wildlife conservation
Hunting and angling are the cornerstones of the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation (brochure) . These activities continue to be the primary source of funding for conservation efforts in North America. Through a 10 percent to 12 percent excise tax on hunting, angling and shooting sports equipment, hunters and anglers have generated more than $10 billion toward wildlife conservation since 1937.
Though past conservation efforts have focused on hunted species, non-hunted species reap the rewards as well. Protecting wetlands for ducks, forests for deer and grasslands for pronghorn have saved countless non-hunted species from peril.
Regardless of whether one chooses to actively participate in hunting or angling, people interested in wildlife and its future should understand the conservation role sportsmen play.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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I'm a lifelong vegetarian, so I shoot only things like heads of cabbage.
With a 12-gauge.
I'm careful, though, to pick out the shot before I eat what I kill.
And I kill only what I'm gonna eat.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Pumpkins are fun to shoot.
And televisions.
I'm not sure exactly why people have such a gripe with other persons harvesting their own meat and spending so much of their money on wildlife conservation. I like eating organic, range fed meat. It's a lot tastier than the store bought / factory farm crap. I've provided food to over 20 of my friends, family and pet friends over the last couple months off one cow elk and still have months of food in the freezer.
The whole experience has been every bit as rewarding to me as a Grade VI first ascent. I can't wait to get the opportunity to stalk and harvest another cow elk.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 6, 2014 - 08:11am PT
hey Patrick,
i wrote a reply to one of your posts a while back that was rude, mean spirited, and just an as#@&%e thing to say. i dont know if you saw it or what, but since you,re here i,d just like to say im sorry. i apologize for that, for being a dick. theres no excuse.
john
Jonnyrig, I received your email and replied back, but just in case, here was my reply
"Hey Jonny, no reason to apologize. It is so easy to misconstrue things on the net. I am as guilty, if not more, than you are for hitting the send button/key and then wondering "What the heck did I just write"?"
Seriously John, I take no offense at what is written by any Taco Stander of me (unless of course it is slanderous, and if it is and I am climbing with the author, I may give him/her a bit more slack when they ask for tension on a crux. Hah hah, just joking of course.)
I try to have a thick skin. As a writer and actor, one needs one when the rejections come in or the audition fails.
Publishers and (casting) directors are just doing their job when rejecting a manuscript or not casting an actor (you know you never received the part as there will be no call back, literally), but to paraphrase Brendan Behan:
"Critics are like eunuchs, they can talk about it but they can't do it."
I have had some good reviews and not so good reviews about my stage performances. I could mention one theatre critic here in Ireland who does not like me.
Doesn't bother me, when other critics and fellow actors tell me I did a good job in a particular role.
Back on topic, what's moose taste like? Anything like elk? I love elk, it doesn't seem as gamey as venison, say.
Of course, not being a hunter I have to rely on hunters to give me elk meat. If they used a gun, I hope it was a fast kill, if they use an arrow, correct me if I am wrong, but is hunting with a bow or crossbow a fast kill? I am told it is less humane, that it take longer for the animal to die.
Of course, a hunter could impress me by saying "I got that there critter with my bare hands", ala Davy Crockett.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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^^ Holy sh#t dude
nice blog. every thread too
I try to have a thick skin
LOL
you kind of have the opposite
namaste
P.S. Bob D'A should be along shortly to tell Patrick to stay on topic
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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USFWS: Take a Stand Against the Dallas Safari Club's Black Rhino Hunt
The Dallas Safari Club recently auctioned off a hunting permit for a highly endangered Namibian black rhino. The winner of that auction is required to obtain an import permit from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to bring the slain rhino back to the United States.
With fewer than 5,000 left in the wild, black rhinos need your help. Urge the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to deny the application for the import permit.
http://takeaction.takepart.com/actions/usfws-deny-the-import-permit-for-black-rhino-hunt?cmpid=tpdaily-eml-2014-02-06
"But human predators (namely, hunters) do not look for the ‘easy kill.’ They look for the ‘trophy kill.’ They only want the buck with the largest antler spread. This philosophy weakens the gene pool, because the healthiest individuals are “culled.”The weaker individuals remain to procreate. Having shown that the argument of the “noble, nature-loving” hunter to be weak and false, if they persist, the question is begged: “So what is the real reason you hunt?”
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2014 - 09:57am PT
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Hey Karen. Just to be clear, the post title is VERY sarcastic. I started this thread because was disgusted by Ron and q-balls post in your whales and dolphins thread and the way that they oversimplify a complex issue. To be clear I am not 100% anti hunting, but I have a TON of distain for pure "trophy hunting," and varying levels of distain for the "culture" that permeates much of the hunting community.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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ncrock,
I am 110 percent with you!
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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Karen, you obviously do not have all the facts. These hunts are important to the management of not only the species being hunted, but also other species that are affected. This is of course ignoring the finacial impact that is greatly desired by all those involved, and in the case of this hunt, very much needed. You are the one that makes the assumption that these will only result in trophy animals being the only one hunted. This statement is so false you have tipped me off that you may be either ignorant, or just a hater.
Check your facts from both sides, and you may find subjects to be much broader than you think.
Burly Bob
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2014 - 11:02am PT
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xtremecat. Your post is worthless unless you provide an explanation. Explain your reasoning. Provide details and facts.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Burly Bob
How about those guys take pictures instead of killing endangered Rhinos.
They all get to take home a shot.
Every year, trophy hunters kill thousands of exotic wild animals, representing hundreds of different species, in foreign countries, primarily in Africa. They prefer to kill the most beautiful, the biggest and the rarest.
Wealthy trophy hunters pay big bucks to local cash-stripped governments for permits that grant them a choice of which animal to kill—Donald Trump’s two sons just killed several wild animals, including a giraffe and an elephant in Zimbabwe. The list of “huntable” species is usually very long and includes more common species such as impala, black bears, common zebra, giraffes, and baboons, but also endangered species such as elephants, leopards and white rhinos (the Western African black rhino was recently officially declared to be “extinct”).
There is also no regard for species protected under the Endangered Species Act (ESA) such as the African elephant or leopards. In fact, the more rare the animal, the more thrill to kill for the “big game” hunters, and the higher the price for the permit.
Competition and Bragging rights
Trophy hunters do not care about conservation, the struggle for survival of many animals. What they care about is killing the biggest and the best, and bringing home full trophy mounts or body parts. Heads, horns, tusks, and other body parts of most of these animals are legally, and sometimes illegally, imported as trophies to the United States by the hunters.
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