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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Nov 22, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
Yes, Connally was in the jump seat. Kennedy was in the hydraulically raised bench seat, sitting higher than Connally.

Though Kennedy's presidential limo, famously dubbed the "Death Car" by the Associated Press, was sleek and stylish, it was not equipped with many security features. In addition to the removal top, the Lincoln was equipped with two radio telephones, flashing red lights, four retractable steps for Secret Service agents, and a hydraulic rear seat that could be raised ten-and-a-half inches to elevate the president.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ways-kennedys-assassination-changed-presidential-security-forever/story?id=20776254

Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 22, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
Yet another of the low probability events needed for your worldview to make sense. Keep spitting them out. There has to be more. You are full of them. It's awesome. It's literally like talking to someone who thinks we faked the moon landing.

No, faking the moon landing is more in the realm of you tinfoil-hat folks. It's difficult to have an intelligent discussion with someone who calls reproducing what actually happened "a low probability of events." In reality, if the single bullet theory were low probability, it would not be so easy to reproduce. In fact, in science something is only proven to not be a fluke if it is reproduceable. I'm sorry you don't get that.

Curt
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Nov 22, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
The carcano bullet can go through 36 inches of pine, with very little deformation.

See the demonstration at 25 minutes below:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/cold-case-jfk.html
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 22, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
The carcano bullet can go through 36 inches of pine, with very little deformation.

See the demonstration at 25 minutes below:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/cold-case-jfk.html

Undoubtedly another series of low probability of events......that can be reproduced over and over again.

Curt
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 22, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
You seem to be missing the point that your Discovery Channel special only was able to produce some kind of circumstance under which a bullet could intersect a bone yet remain intact.

Are you insane? That is not at all what they demonstrated. Did you even read what I posted? Their conclusion was:

The path of their single bullet (followed by high speed photography) duplicated, almost exactly, the wounds suffered by the victims that day.

Curt
WBraun

climber
Nov 22, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
You guys never even knew that there are several different doctored versions of the zapruder film.

None of you have ever seen the original.

The autopsy photos were doctored also.

There was a massif coverup of the original event.

Many witnesses were assassinated afterwards.

Stupid Americans believe everything thrown at them on television .....
richross

Trad climber
Nov 22, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
Exellent presentation by John Costella on how the Zapruder film was doctored.

Here's the first of 22 ten minute clips.

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Links to the rest.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=john+costella+jfk+complete&sm=3
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Nov 22, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
Bravo Locker . . . Stooges Stoke!
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:00pm PT


No matter what you think of Jesse Ventura, this book is spot on. He co-authors this with Dick Russell and David Wayne.

Wake up people.


District Attorney Jim Garrison was an was American hero. The movie JFK by Oliver Stone was based on his investigation.

If you want the people to know the truth in a free and open society then why do "they" lock up all the evidence pertaining to JFK's assassination for 75 years?





http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Katzenbach_Memo

The Katzenbach Memo

On November 25 1963, the day of the Kennedy funeral, Assistant Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach sent a memo to Bill Moyers of the new Johnson White House. He had begun writing it the day earlier, within hours after Oswald's death at the hands of Jack Ruby.

The second paragraph stated: "The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial."

Given that the authorities could not possibly by November 25 know these things to be true, and Katzenbach later admitted he knew very little at this stage, the memo is clearly advocating a political course irrespective of the truth of the assassination.

The motivation for this political course may be glimped in the succeeding paragraph: "Speculation about Oswald's motivation ought to be cut off, and we should have some basis for rebutting thought that this was a Communist conspiracy or (as the Iron Curtain press is saying) a right-wing conspiracy to blame it on the Communists. Unfortunately the facts on Oswald seem about too pat--too obvious (Marxist, Cuba, Russian wife, etc.). The Dallas police have put out statements on the Communist conspiracy theory, and it was they who were in charge when he was shot and thus silenced."

Katzenbach's memo advocated a public FBI report to satisfy this "objective," though he noted the possible need for "the appointment of a Presidential Commission of unimpeachable personnel to review and examine the evidence and announce its conclusions." He ended by advocating a quick public announcement to "head off speculation or Congressional hearings of the wrong sort."

To many observers, the Katzenbach memo provides the blueprint for the cover-up which followed.


The 2 page memo:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=756877

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62268&relPageId=30


Killing Kennedy was an inside job by the US CIA/Military Industrial Complex. They hated him. He brought their war in Cuba to an end. Stopped the nuclear war with Russia (ended the Cuban Missile Crisis). He was going to withdraw the USA from Vietnam. Remember, war is a racket $$$$. He wanted to explore space with the Russians co-cooperatively. Gave all kinds of incredibly important speeches for his short time in office. Exposed the idea of secret organizations and shadow governments in several of his speeches. A man who believed in G-d and actually wanted to do something great for our country.

Yep, they hated him. Our last honest President of the United States. I miss him and what he meant for our country.

:_(
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
Oswald did the shooting, but did not deliver the fatal shot. That was where the cover up and disinformation began. The fatal shot was fired by accident from a Secret Service agent from the car right behind the Presidents car. He rose, rife in hand as the first shots rang out. As the car he was riding in lurched his rife discharged accidentally and the round delivered the fatal shot to Kennedy, striking him in the head.
TY
dirtbag

climber
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
Lol, now you guys have gotten klimmer all riled up.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
I am no conspiracy nut, but I was reading some detailed history of Oswalds background out of curiosity (I was stationed at the same Marine Corp base in Iwakuni Japan that Oswald was at 25 years earlier). There is some very interesting details about people he hung with in New Orleans who could have had a hand in killing Kennedy. Did not have time to read it all, but what I saw was interesting.
goatboy smellz

climber
लघिमा
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
Klimmer, did JFK know about the ark on the moon?

Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
This is what John Costella claims on his own website:

Scientists examined the Zapruder film. They found that, while most of it looks completely genuine, some of the images are impossible. They violate the laws of physics. They could not have come from Zapruder’s home movie camera. Zapruder’s film is a very good forgery. It is almost perfect. Some mistakes took almost 40 years to find. The scientists also proved that Zapruder’s film was not just changed a little bit. The whole film is a fake! A movie film is just a strip of little photos (“frames”). The fake film was made by cutting and pasting real photos and film frames together to make new frames. Because the Zapruder film is only 27 seconds long, less than 500 photos needed to be made. The forgers had almost a year to create them, before they were published. This was not difficult to do in 1963 and 1964. People had been creating high quality fake photos since the 1850s!

And this is what Rollie Zavada, the Kodak engineer who invented Kodachrome II movie camera film said about the out of camera Zapruder film, after he analyzed it:

Simply stated “There is no detectable evidence of manipulation or image alteration on the "Zapruder in-camera- original" and all supporting evidence precludes any forgery thereto.”
The film that exists at NARA was received from Time/Life, has all the characteristics of an original film per my report. 􏰀The film medium, manufacturing markings, processing identification, camera gate image characteristics, dye structure, full scale tonal range, support type, perforations and their quality, keeping shrinkage and fluting characteristics, feel, surface profile of the dye surface. 􏰀It has NO evidence of optical effects or matte work including granularity, edge effects or fringing, contrast buildup etc.

Take your pick, I guess.

Curt


Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
TYeary . . . JFK's head wound is not consistent with a rear bullet entry. He suffered a massive exit wound to the top rear skull.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Watch Oliver Stone’s “JFK” and then watch the documentary …

Beyond JFK: The Question of Conspiracy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GfPvHyX4BI

If you then still think that Lee Harvey Oswald did it alone, then you truly have your head buried in the sand and you don’t want to know the truth.



Wake up people.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
A rational "theory" about Oswald's motivation.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/kennedy-assassination-conspiracy-oswald-cuba
Oh wait, it's Mother Jones, therefore automagically unbelievable.

Klimmer. If you buy that, I've got a bridge in Arizona you might like to buy.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
Just got off the phone with Franky..Hot damn he finally let me in on the story!

In one of the more brilliant and simple operations our outfit ever pulled off we simply showed the mans wife some pretty hawt clips of a certain starlet and her husband...I guess that didn't surprise her much..and several other films..apparently one involving a tutu her husband and a guy you know by the name of Hoover...

The rest as they say .. is history.

The killer sat right next to him..One bold gal I gotta say! Public execution like that.. the Zapruder film was a nice piece of misdirection.. easiest plant ever.. FBI was scooping up everything and it was a cinch they would swallow it hook line and sinker.

Oswald WAS a patsy lol.. but that Rubenstein whacko was pure sweet serendipity.. sometimes things just work out better than expected.

Only thing Franky wouldn't tell me is where the CO fits in..perhaps another time..

Gotta say the outfit sure has a proud history.
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Nov 22, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
I am convinced that Ray Jardine worked alone.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 22, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
Werner

You guys never even knew that there are several different doctored versions of the zapruder film.

None of you have ever seen the original.

The autopsy photos were doctored also.

There was a massif coverup of the original event.

Many witnesses were assassinated afterwards.

Stupid Americans believe everything thrown at them on television .....

Hey rocketman..Hell ya we covered it up...Once you got to know Jackie .. well there just wasn't much you wouldn't do for her. Quite a Lady!
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