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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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The argument that the confederate flag symbolizes something other than racism is circular, because the supposedly non-racist reasons offered up, i.e., the "culture" or "heritage" it signifies, are themselves racist.
Saying slavery was not the root of the civil war is profoundly ignorant.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Do you know who we (USA) bought many slaves from? NATIVE AFRICANS
It's true! White Americans didn't WANT slaves but they were forced upon them by Africans and then they came back to America with them and we're like "well crap what are we going to do with all this excess of human suffering I guess we'll grow stuff."
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Do you realize that slavery is illegal in most countries, including the USA? Because a facet of our (that includes you) history involved slaves, we can't fly a flag that has differing connotations from your ignorant opinion?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Were any of those countries established by seceding from other countries because they wanted to keep slavery legal?
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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High Desert DJ- are you confused that Africans sell Africans? It is still happening for your information.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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And Americans are selling Americans. You seem to be confusing knowing a fact and having a sense of morality.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Slavery is illegal in America. What is your point that people are still enslaved here?
"Although this exploitation is often not called slavery, the conditions are the same. People are sold like objects, forced to work for little or no pay and are at the mercy of their "employers"."
— Antislavery Society, What is Modern Slavery in Africa
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Chugach
Trad climber
Vermont
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 8, 2013 - 09:13am PT
I've done a lot of reading on it, and seen several movies on American Slavery - last night I watched 12 Years a Slave. It was very difficult to watch. I think it's good to be reminded how terrible we can be as human beings, to each other. I can't even imagine doing those things to another person, or being on the receiving end. Even so, it was a way of life for a very long time, and slavery in some forms continues today in different parts of the world. I'm amazed what we allow to pass as remembering "heritage"...whatever the f*ck that means.
Oh grow up. You saw a movie and now you need to threaten violence on Supertopo? It's a symbol. Are you going to beat up a Tibetian Monk because they often wear the Swastika, an old sandskit symbol? Gonna burn a church because of their past sins? Dousche bag.
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Deekaid
climber
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I cannot post any links because I am on my phone and don't know how to do it... but if you google the meaning of the Confederate flag you might find it pretty interesting... one in particular called trainweb .org
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jstan
climber
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Ron said
About 90% of the southern soldiers NEVER OWNED A SLAVE in their lifes.
They never did own a slave in their lives.
Simply by letting someone convince them they were absolutely and totally RIGHT about an artificial issue (state's rights), they sacrificed lives, arms, and legs in an attempt to insure corporations ( plantation owners) they would not lose an investment of ten billion or so. And lost ten times or so as much in the effort.
In today's america this tactic is called, "externalization". Get someone else to pay your bills.
Sound familiar?
Anyone who feels they are right, absolutely right and without a doubt, has taken up residence in La La land.
The killer is that in the Jim Crow economy that followed plantation owners had the opportunity to pay less for labor than they did when they actually owned the slaves. When one died from starvation there was no capital loss. Just the need to go get another one.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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It is interesting that no one can make a response to my comments! Do you have no rebuttal to my facts?
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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NORTON "of course you can", fly the flag
Then why are you upset?
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Chugach
Trad climber
Vermont
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Deekaid -
Nov 9, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
and all the sh#t that people have come up with as racial slurs against white people has never bothered me in the least... honky what the hell is that anyway?
White folks roll into the hood to buy drugs or sex and honk to get the sellers off their porch. That's what I always heard.
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jstan
climber
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I post this so that we might get onto a subject that we all can treat entirely unemotionally.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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JStan How about the north ridge on the Grand Teton, it has been a few years. I hope they better snow this winter. It was sketchy on the upper two pitches last time i made a go at it.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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What I said is true.
And for all the wrong reasons. Don't let reality deter you... keep spraying your deliberate misinformation far and wide.
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jstan
climber
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I do believe this thread may now start to get traction.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Any advice on the last couple pitches on the north ridge of the Grand? I never found any anchor points except for a weighted chicken-head over slabs and warm snow!
If I flew the stars and bars would you help or ignore?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Anyone who thinks the civil war was about freeing black people from slavery is naive. That just isn't the way the world works, and especially isnt how america works
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Of course that's what we learned in "school", and few people have the capacity for critical thinking. Instead they want to send people to hospitals for flying a flag. Which is why the real enemies of this country will never be removed.
Same as it ever was...
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Crazy Bat
Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
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I'm down in Alabama. I grew up with the confedeate flag. I never associated it with racism, but I am very aware that that is what it became. That pisses me off because to me it represented the right to fight for the right to be southern. If I have to explain that you will never understand.
I had a grandfather in the clan. I never agreed with him.
I never saw overt racisim until I visited Boston in 1979. Then I saw white people heckling a black man. I was appaled that that could happen in america.
Maybee that is why it took me so long to realize the flag stood for racisim to so many people. I quit displaying it when I found out. It was never a legal flag anyway.
Thanks for letting me vent my southern spleen.
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