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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Perspective, people, perspective.
Like most everything else, eating meat is not the problem. You're wasting your time blabbing about the perils of eating meat.
The real problem is that the earth's population is rising exponentially.
Nothing that you say or do will matter until you control the population explosion. We can do this only if we all concentrate on advancing women's rights.
Quit wasting time telling me that I'm a bad boy for having steak.
The right to choose must be advanced world-wide. The poorer the country, the important the efforts must be.
Women must have the right to choose where and when to have sex.
Women must have the right to choose if and when they use birth control.
Women must have the right to chose to terminate their pregnancy if they desire to do so.
And Republicans have to get their fingers out of women's panties. Old white men in suits have no right to force their religious beliefs on anyone else.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Drum circle hippies at it again, meat causing global warming
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Sanskara
climber
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You I'll never convince a meat eater the truth about meat..
Just like you will never convince the guy with his dog off leash that his dog is not a joy to everyone it meets and does mo harm.
FYI I have two dogs..
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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only an as5hole puts bacon on seafood.
You've never had Hatteras Clam Chowder, have you?
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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meat causing global warming
If you're not a denier that humans are changing the climate, I don't see how this can in any way be controversial.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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In the old days 99% of the people were vegetarians and lived 100,000 years.
Protein comes from milk.
Stupid Americans can barely live 80 years now ......
Get your facts straight.
100,000 years was middle age for Alorus, first king of Babylon. He lived to see 162,000.
He wasn't even the oldest Babylonian King.
But that got screwed up when the Sons of God started Schtooping the daughters of men.
Nobody got past Methuselah's 969 after that. Nothing to do with diet.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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I wonder how they factor in deaths in the USA by car accidents, Murders and Drug overdoses. I would think a biger factor than people that eat chicken, fish, beef and pork.
. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
Look at infant mortality. Probably skews the numbers.The USA is only 34th in the World right now in that stat.
Also not diet, just affordable health care.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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FACT: Vegetarians are healthier and live longer then non-vegetarians.
Eat all the meat you want, no skin off my ass.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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People with the longest life expectancies and concurrent high quality of life are from:
Andorra—the mountainous region between France and Spain
Vilcamba Valley—the Andes mountains in Ecuador
Himalayas—the Hunzas in Pakistan are the 3rd longest-living group of people
Abkhasians and Georgians live in a mountainous region near the Black Sea in Russia
Macau in Southern China
Okinawa
Japan
Singapore
San Marino, a nation state in Italy
Hong Kong
Australia
France
Canada
Switzerland
Sweden
These groups have some general commonalities concerning their diet.
Diversity
80,000 different edible species of plant foods have been identified. 3,000 have been commonly used throughout human history. 150 plant species are widely cultivated and yet just 3—corn, soy and wheat–account for 60% of the world’s food supply.
These subsidized crops are usually highly processed and refined and are contributing to the development of food allergies worldwide. We were never meant to rely on such a small range of foods and doing so puts us at severe risk both health-wise and environmentally.
Long-lived peoples eat a wide variety of foods and eat seasonally.
Japan’s recommended dietary intake is to eat 30 different varieties of food every day. Hong Kong, Macau and Singapore are some of the world’s largest seaports containing richly diverse cuisines from all over the world.
Fish
Fish is a very common staple in diets of the long-living. Whether they live in the mountains or by the sea, trade for fermented fish paste or eat brook trout, these cultures value fish in their diets. What is important to remember here is that the fish these cultures eat is, for the most part, wild-caught, not farmed.
Whole Grains
Many of these people live in isolated regions that are as yet unaffected by the expansion of the Western diet and its processed and refined grain products. Buckwheat noodles are a staple in Japan, grasses are part of the Abkhasian and Hunza diets, the Swiss eat dark breads. Pulsed, sprouted and fermented grains are part of these traditional diets.
Plant Foods
Vegetables, fruits, nuts and berries are found in abundance in these cultures’ diets. Long-living people eat natural and organic plant foods regularly that are free of pesticides and herbicides.
Animal Protein/Fats
Contrary to popular belief, longevity doesn’t belong in the vegetarian domain. These people do eat a large quantity of herbs, fruits and vegetables, but animal products play a large role in their diets. Meats, cheeses, butters, yogurts and lard are staple components in these diets. These animals are grass-fed, free-range and respected.
Dairy
Cultured dairy products are also another commonality with these groups. But the dairy products consumed are cultured by the people themselves in many cases, so they don’t consume the pasteurized and compromised products we do in the West.
Probiotics
Traditional diets all contain fermented products of some kind. Pulsed grains, fermented drinks, fish sauces, yogurt, pickled vegetables or cured meat—necessary methods of preservation–have made natural probiotics a common part of these diets.
Tea
Tea is another universal part of traditional diets. Herbal tonics and other brewed plant drinks are common to all long-lived cultures.
These cultures are also characterized by communal values and social interaction, meditative practices and moderate daily physical activity. Their nutritional choices are based on traditional wisdom—not TV. They eat what their ancestors have eaten for generations—not what commercial messages advertise as cheap and convenient.
http://draxe.com/the-worlds-longest-living-cultures/
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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FACT: Vegetarians are healthier and live longer then non-vegetarians.
Association does not imply causation.
Vegetarians may be healthier and live longer for reasons unrelated to a vegetarian diet.
Besides....
Remember those 20 years you added to your life through healthy living? Well, these are them:
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Return to the roots??? Aka cannibalism?
Long pig has to be cooked slow.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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any study purporting to show that vegetarians/carnivores/omnivores live longer, healthier lives, at a minimum needs to control for income.
the best diet for living long/healthy isn't vegetarian or paleo or whatever -- it's the diet having enough money to buy food that's not junk
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Meatless Mondays
Why Meatless?
Going meatless once a week may reduce your risk of chronic preventable conditions like cancer, cardiovascular disease, diabetes and obesity. It can also help reduce your carbon footprint and save precious resources like fresh water and fossil fuel.
Read about these benefits below. But keep in mind that just going meatless is not enough. That’s why we give you the information you need to add healthy, environmentally friendly meat-free alternatives to your diet each week. Further, if you do eat meat on other days, we strongly recommend grass-fed, hormone-free, locally-raised options whenever possible.
Health Benefits
LIMIT CANCER RISK: Hundreds of studies suggest that diets high in fruits and vegetables may reduce cancer risk. Both red and processed meat consumption are associated with colon cancer.
REDUCE HEART DISEASE: Recent data from a Harvard University study found that replacing saturated fat-rich foods (for example, meat and full fat dairy) with foods that are rich in polyunsaturated fat (for example, vegetable oils, nuts and seeds) reduces the risk of heart disease by 19%
FIGHT DIABETES: Research suggests that higher consumption of red and processed meat increase the risk of type 2 diabetes.
CURB OBESITY: People on low-meat or vegetarian diets have significantly lower body weights and body mass indices. A recent study from Imperial College London also found that reducing overall meat consumption can prevent long-term weight gain.
LIVE LONGER: Red and processed meat consumption is associated with increases in total mortality, cancer mortality and cardiovascular disease mortality.
IMPROVE YOUR DIET. Consuming beans or peas results in higher intakes of fiber, protein, folate, zinc, iron and magnesium with lower intakes of saturated fat and total fat.
Environmental Benefits
REDUCE YOUR CARBON FOOTPRINT. The United Nations’ Food and Agriculture Organization estimates the meat industry generates nearly one-fifth of the man-made greenhouse gas emissions that are accelerating climate change worldwide . . . far more than transportation. And annual worldwide demand for meat continues to grow. Reining in meat consumption once a week can help slow this trend.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Why is fish not considered meat.....it's not grown in a garden.
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dirtbag
climber
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The truth about meat is that it tastes good!
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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My god.
Gaaaah.
There's a TV programme right now named "The United States of Bacon", and it's gross. Absolutely disgusting.
It's about fat people who eat food which drips fat everywhere. And it's not a show...
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Bad Climber
climber
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Thanks, Lorenzo, for that reality check up thread. Vegetarians might live longer than the average American slob eating the standard American diet, acronym, appropriately, SAD, but eating grass-fed/pastured animals and their products (milk/cheese/eggs) is associated with greater longevity so long as the diet is paired with all that other good stuff you listed. The most recent book I read on nutrition is wonderful and gets into the reading of studies, how to decipher the buzz and get to the truth. Hint: correlation ain't causation.
Check it out: Death by Food Pyramid by Denise Minger
Great stuff--fun to read, too. Btw, she's a recovering vegan.
Carry on! my wayward sons and daughters....
BAd
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