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Dave Tapes
Trad climber
Silverado CA
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Jul 25, 2006 - 11:59pm PT
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I was out hiking the other day when a f#&*@g mountainbiker came by. He was riding faster then he should have been. SO I elbowed him off the trail.
I went mountain biking last weekend and a couple of f4%@&g seirra club type hikers gave me a dirty look. I flipped them off and sprayed dirt in their face.
I was riding my dirt bike on a single track in the Sierras and some g$@%#d%#$m mountain bikers tried to tell me I was ilegally riding. That really pissed my off so I revved my loud bike in there face and roosted them dinging thier nice paint jobs.
I was climbing two weeks ago and some F%$#@g motorcycle riders were spoiling my tranquility so I threw rocks at them until they left.
We all think our "fun" is more important than anyone elses. Worse yet we look for ways to put down all the "other" pursuits to elevate our own.
Sounds ridiculous but this is the sad truth. These are all things we do for fun, they are not sacred pursuits and none of them are activities vitale to life. It's just for fun!
I figured out a long time ago that exposure to other cultures and ways of life tends to reduce intolorance. The same applies to anything we don't understand or participate in for whatever reason.
DW
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 26, 2006 - 12:08am PT
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DW,
good on ya mate.
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Conrad
climber
MT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2006 - 01:15am PT
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While this began as a simple question regarding aural disturbance in Yosemite National Park and specifically decibel ceilings for motorized vehicles it quickly morphed into a standard forum discussion. To classify bikers in the terms some mentioned is not fair. As in climbing there is broad representation of society. There are probably a few Harley owning climbers who enjoy both climbing and touring with loud machines. They are, after all, just out to have a bit of fun, just as climbers are. They probably share the same views on risk and have a pretty tight group, as the scepter of death being ever present and part of the thrill. Implying loud motorcyclists have tiny reproductive organs is a bit silly. Many women ride these machines too. The idea of icing a corner is downright malicious. Pretty much every biker I’ve met would help out in a dire situation. Maybe pud’s key to motorcycle longevity can be applied to objective hazards in climbing. Be invisible – gotta like that.
My point in bringing this to our attention is perhaps the enjoyment of a few affects the enjoyment of the many. If we apply the loud pipes = safety logic to climbing in Yosemite we could justify the use of power drills. (Ignore for a moment the permanence of a bolt versus the transitory nature of noise pollution.) If power drills make it safer for the individual, should they be allowed? As we know there are places for power drills (outside of National Parks and Wilderness Areas) and places where we as climbers have to compromise to enjoy nature preserves. By the same measure there are places where loud pipes are beneficial (the 580 in rush hour traffic) and places where they might affect other user groups drawn to a limited resource (the Valley).
Is this going to flame out as a taco topic, resulting in animosity between bikers and climbers or is there a possibility that something might come of this?
Do bird watchers, fishers, hikers, green dragon riders, picnic families and park service employees have the same view that loud bikes compromise their park experience?
Is there a decibel limit on motorized vehicles in Yosemite? Are some motorcycles in violation of these limits? Is aural pollution on the park service radar?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 26, 2006 - 01:45am PT
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Naaaaah.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jul 26, 2006 - 06:39am PT
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still think guys with loud bikes got small dicks:)
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Dave Tapes
Trad climber
Silverado CA
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Jul 26, 2006 - 04:32pm PT
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Conrad-For every law that a motorcyclest breaks in the Valley, there are probably just as many if not more that climbers ignore. While I understand that somethings are annoying just consider the rules that you personaly might be willing to ingnore. Even the silly rules that if followed would distract from you own enjoyment and ability to do as you please in the Valley or any where else for that matter.
I'm all for ignoreing stupid rules in the pursuite of playing in the great outdoors, I also think that doing so requires a little tolorence for the other sports/activities.
While it's hard to equate a tourist riding the green dragon with climbing rocks in the tourist's mind he might be on the greatest adventure ever.
If your going to hang out in a enviroment with thousands of people coming and going then your just going too have to put up with it.
Focus on your own good time.
DW
ps. trad girl sounds like you know all about small dicks.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 26, 2006 - 04:44pm PT
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Dave Tapes sez:
"ps. trad girl sounds like you know all about small dicks."
Sounds to me like that "small dick" crack hit a little close to home.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jul 27, 2006 - 09:04am PT
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Word!!
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 29, 2006 - 09:46pm PT
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I drove quite a lot in B.C., Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Utah over the last month. About 6,000 km. I saw and heard a lot of motorcycles during that time, both from my car and when on foot. Especially in Jackson - there were herds of them, en route to an event in the Dakotas.
There seems to be a correlation between motorcycles without mufflers, and riders without helmets, in places that don't require them. Very often, noisy motorcycle = no helmet, or at best a "hairnet" style helmet, which is more decoration than protection.
Perhaps there are statistics about this. Are the helmet-less more or less likely to get in accidents, whether self-inflicted or from outside causes? Certainly if they do get in accidents, the consequences are likely to be much worse. (As a one time bicycle racer, something I'm all too familiar with.)
This suggests that the riders of loud motorcycles aren't motivated by safety in having unmuffled engines, or at least that safety isn't the reason they choose to make noise.
Anders
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 10, 2007 - 09:39pm PT
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To revive a long-dormant thread. Australian women apparently have a way with loud motorcycles. They give the drivers the finger. To be precise, they waggle their little fingers at them.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 11, 2007 - 02:00am PT
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The only pattern I can deduce is a correlation between decibels and belt size. But, that might be splitting hairs as almost all the bikers I see up this way are obese...
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 11, 2007 - 02:15am PT
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Joseph, are you suggesting that these people are not only muffin tops, but hairy muffin tops?
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wiclimber
Trad climber
devil's lake, wi
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Jul 11, 2007 - 08:49am PT
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Loud pipes save lives.
We don't need more laws.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jul 11, 2007 - 10:58am PT
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Loud pipes scare and startle other drivers, make children in cars cry, and ruin the neighborhood peace and quiet. Ban them. They are not necessary, they disturb everyone, hurt our hearing, set-off car alarms etc. etc.
Absolutely true. Driving down the Avenue near our house, coming up to a light in my VW Vanagon Syncro with my children in safety seats in the back, and then all of a sudden the light went green, the motorcyle immediately behind guned-it changing lanes abruptly and the pipes were screaming as he passed us. It scared the sh#t out of me, and my children, and they started to cry. I don't think I have ever heard a motorcycle so loud before.
Then late at night, or early in the morning they love to destroy the quiet of the region as they come tearing down the city streets near our neighborhood. My God, you can hear them miles away!
They are a bunch of self-centered A-holes. They can set a law that limits dB levels and they should. Force them into compliance.
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Ω
climber
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Jul 11, 2007 - 11:01am PT
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LOUD Motorcycles SUCK! There is law that says you can not be over 82d but the rangers ignore it. A friend of mine got a really loud horn and now honks as he passes these loud obnoxious monsters to annoy them and drown them out. It is especially fun when they are parked on the side of the road and you give them back their own medicine. Lets start a trend and every one lay on the horn when you see these jerks.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 11, 2007 - 11:02am PT
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There's already laws. Enforce em
If somebody need to blast incredible noise out in the national parks to stay safe, there's a problem
Peace
karl
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jul 11, 2007 - 01:17pm PT
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Loud pipes suck!! One of the most selfish things you can do on a bike.. Save your own damn life. Ride agressivly, wear a helmet and leathers and be aware of your surroundings. your the one out there on the bike with no airbags or fenders arround you.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 11, 2007 - 01:43pm PT
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I might buy that "Loud pipes save lives" bullshit if the ass-hole on the loud bike was wearing CLOTHES THAT AREN'T BLACK!!!!!
Tough to make a case you're trying to be seen when you're dressed the same color as the Stealth Bomber.
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wiclimber
Trad climber
devil's lake, wi
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Jul 11, 2007 - 01:54pm PT
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Those loud pipes you hear saving lives?
It's called MILWAUKEE THUNDER!!
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Edward-Oh
climber
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Jul 11, 2007 - 02:20pm PT
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I know that you can get pulled over for having an exhaust that's too loud on the car. I would assume the same thing would go for bikes...I agree that it does ruin some of the tranquility!
http://www.grabyournuts.com
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