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John M
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I don't fear the future Greg. I am concerned about what is coming. Mostly because I believe that it is coming, and yet few are even ready to listen, and thus will pay a heavy price.
If you fully believed that something was coming down the pike. Yet you also knew that most people would not listen, and would heap scorn on you for having that belief, then what would you do? I believe that the cycles of time have turned, and this worlds Karma is about to hit. Specifically in December or January. If it doesn't happen, then you can heap scorn on me all that you want and I will take it.
I have been debating starting a thread on prophecy. I'm just not certain that I want to subject myself to the scorn that people like you and Dingus will heap on me.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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God made SIDS :)
People killed by Satan in the bible - 13
People killed by God - 2million+
But it's ok, they were having gay sex.
Satan gave us the apple and wanted us to draw our own conclusions. He tried to feed a fasting Jesus and didn't do sh#t to Job.
Hail satan!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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"I don't fear the future Greg. I am concerned about what is coming. Mostly because I believe that it is coming, and yet few are even ready to listen, and thus will pay a heavy price. "
Then go wear a sandwich board in Times Square.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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It is rooted in hate and ignorance.
Still, if you don't think ol' time religion plays a role in all this then you've never been in the grip of its theism as a worldview. Or you have no real life experience knowing someone who has.
It remains one of the strangest queerest things of all - how people can hear a religious devotee (a bluering or Cragman or John M or Klimmer) tell them straight up to their face it's their religion or it's what God says that motivates and directs them - yet they dismiss this as NOT REALLY the cause (of their ideas or ideation or their attitude or their behavior).
Perhaps it is the "curse of knowledge."
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I have been debating starting a thread on prophecy. I'm just not certain that I want to subject myself to the scorn that people like you and Dingus will heap on me.
Not to mention HFCS. ;)
Believe me, I see through you like glass.
Get your head out of the bronze age. Take some science courses. Educate yourself.
P.S. I don't care how old you are, either, as long as you're of the voting demographic. No free passes for old men who vote. If you vote, then you should require of yourself to adapt, to upgrade, to discard outdated beliefs that are impediments to progressive, informed, functional democratic rule.
Btw, your posts above are just a half-step from claiming homosexuality and other bible-based abominations are the cause of earthquakes, disease and such. Clearly you have a faith in bronze age desert dwellers and their literature. But where is your evidence-based faith in 21st century modernity. Sad.
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John M
climber
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Everytime this topic comes up, the same men will rush to assert their masculinity. As if the very topic of gay marriage is some threat to their hormonal balance.
Here you go again with the judgments and the labels.
Its a silly argument because you post on the same threads. Its also silly because you claim to dislike judgmental people.
God says to judge not, lest we be judged, but if we do judge, then to judge righteously. We can of course disagree what is righteous. That is what we are doing here. What I don't understand if how you can't see your own hypocrisy.
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John M
climber
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Then go wear a sandwich board in Times Square.
More insults.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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What I don't get is that the Pilgrims came here to escape religious persecution.
Or did they come here just so they could be the persecutors?
Actually, I think we all can agree that America's true religion is the Pursuit
of the Holy Buck. If that is so then gay marriage is good for business,
well, if you're a florist or a home furnishings retailer. But it will also
be good for the accountants and lawyers who run this country so why are they
holding things up? Oh, wait, a lot of those lawyers work for the guvmint
which doesn't want to lose all that tax income from the newlyweds' joint
filing status.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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You walked right into that one :)
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Can you guys take a break from insulting each other for a minute (or, not insulting in Dingus' case) and help me with my question? I'd still like to know if there is opposition to gay marriage that isn't based in religion.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Couldn't care less, mate. You brought it up. No need to drape your protective religious mantle over the actual subject matter here - gay marriage haters. If you fit that bill, then you wear the damned hat, and wear it proudly. Stop hiding behind this religious bullsh#t.
Exactly. Hate is hate and should never be tolerated. It should be squashed immediately. It should never be allowed to get its foot in the door. It allows people to do evil, all in the name of some f*#ked up religion. Or ideology.
F*#k that sh#t.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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If you want non-religious reasons not to change the definition of marriage, maybe you should ask the Chinese or Russians, not suoertopians.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Ghost, I've met my share of homophobe atheists.
Thanks. Do you know what their reasoning is?
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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I'd still like to know if there is opposition to gay marriage that isn't based in religion.
That's a very interesting question, especially if it is backed up by actual data.
I think the main driver in all of the gay bashing is fear, as though homosexuality is contageous, and all you have to do is tempt some folk and they'll generate spontaneous gay lust and get straight to clam bumping et al. This is really another iteration of the "there is no such thing as a natural gay person, it is all by choice."
It would be interesting to find out what the data says per sexual orientation being choice as opposed to a native, involuntar response, which certainly seems to be the case with me. I never choose to like girls. It has always seemed the most natural thing to do.
The problem with most of the anti-gay folk is that they violte the number one rule about something or some one: If you want to know the truth, start by asking a bunch of questions from the people involved so you have some first hand, empiracle info. On the other hand you have the gay detractors who ask no questions and instead inform the queer who he or she really is, but doesn't know. These are the folk who have no interest in learning anything new, and instead look only to bolster their current understanding, seeking no new information or experinces, rather allies who can back them up.
This was hugely at play in another thread I was on and it was sobering to see so-called adventurous folk willing to repeat the same route, so to speak, but totally unwilling to go into brand new terrain - thour they would speculate endlessly about what had to be there, based on their own projections.
And that's how I largely see the anti-gay crowd - that it is largely fear and projections, evidenced by the totaly lack of questions since their mind is already made up what the truth is. So here you have a closed cognitive loop, and only powerful and direct experiences can hope to change such a rigid mindset, something particular to older folks "lost in the matrix," and strangely proud of it.
Not everyone wants to look at things with rigorous and fearless honestly.
JL
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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That's to funny.
"the westboro approch" misguided & sometimes cruel.
No down right EVIL.
Anyone that would do what they do in front of a fallen American soldiers family, at his or hers funeral is sick, a traitor, & EVIL.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Having two parents of two genders is the circumstances under which humans have lived for many generations, so it is arguable that the biological development of a child's brain has evolved to respond better to this environment.
DUH! It is THE reason that we've lived for so many generations!
It is America's greatest shame that we have so many unwanted children. One would think that as "smart" as we are, we would hold up our children as our Greatest commodity. And the brightest light for the future. Instead, just in the last year we killed over 600,000 kids before they were able to take their first breath. And how many hundreds of thousands have been left at the adoption door? This IS the root to the disintegration of America.
Dissolve the meaning of family and it's morals, and what do you have left?
The last black eye was putting wife's in the workplace. Having both parents
going to work and leaving the kids with a sitter. Has only taught the children that money
is more important than family.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Bob Loblaw's law blog sums up the essence of the religiously based homophobic opposition to same sex marriage.
http://bobloblawlawblog.ytmnd.com/
Those who think homosexuality is all nurture and no nature need to get out more. My next door neighbors growing up had 2 boys, about 12 months apart. I was 5 years old when the oldest was born. They did everything together. By the time the oldest one was 5 it was obvious he was gay and the younger one was not. He would play with my sister's hair rather than play catch... now he is a very well paid and well known hair dresser, and in a committed gay relationship.
I asked my old (gay) boss when he realized he was gay. He said since as early as he could remember he knew he was attracted to boys, not girls. He asked me if I had ever or would ever suck a cock. I said there is no way I could... unless I committed myself to yoga for at least a year. He said something along the lines of "that is how you know you are not gay and how I know I am." The thought of going down on a woman was as repulsive to him as sucking a c*#k is to (most) heterosexual males.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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I think most gay bashing is the result of suppressed homo-erotic urges
Again, this is ur judgemental opinion of how I feel? Thanks. But NO!
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Having two parents of two genders is the circumstances under which humans have lived for many generations
BULLSH#T! Countless children have been raised without fathers and/or mothers around and turned out just fine. The vast majority of human history consists of children being raised in the structure of the extended family or tribe, often in polygynic or polyandric marriages. You live in the fantasy world of familialism, sold by the religious conservatives in the west to narrow minded fools. Take an anthropology class... there is a great big world out there you apparently know nothing about.
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