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Hoser
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vancouver
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where those who are young and healthy bear the direct cost of subsidizing those who are not
Why is that a bad thing? The other choice being to watch a poor unhealthy person die a slow and ultimately more expensive death?
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Brandon-
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The Granite State.
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FWIW, Cragman's not a bad guy, he is a lot more conscious and humble of the issues compared to other right wing parrots.
This bears repeating.
I disagree with Dean on a great number of issues, but he has always been kind and respectful to me. A class act, IMO.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 23, 2015 - 12:20pm PT
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I thought Cragman was into helping poor people?
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 23, 2015 - 01:20pm PT
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Edward, you are a whiner. From that article:
Here’s the bad news (as if that’s not bad enough already): those corrected forms should be available by early March, not in the next day or so. March. And since the information could potentially affect tax credits and therefore, tax refunds, taxpayers who received the bad tax statements are being asked to wait to file 2014 federal income tax returns.
If you absolutely can’t wait, you can figure the amount of the plan that applied to your household in 2014 on your own by either calling the Marketplace Call Center at 1-800-318-2596 (TTY: 1-855-889-4325) or going online. Of course, figuring it out on your own could be complicated – be willing to wait on the phone if you need assistance.
So. You now get subsidized healthcare, and yet you are complaining because your tax statement is delayed until early March (i.e., until next week or so), which would still be at least a month ahead of the filing deadline, unless you decide to find out the proper amount at an earlier date by making a phone call?
WTF?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 23, 2015 - 01:57pm PT
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dirtbag
Edward, you are a whiner...
So. You now get subsidized healthcare, and yet you are complaining because your tax statement is delayed until early March (i.e., until next week or so), which would still be at least a month ahead of the filing deadline, unless you decide to find out the proper amount at an earlier date by making a phone call?
WTF?
Dave Kos
The issue with the tax forms only affects those who are receiving government subsidies.
Don't feel bad, Sketch - there's no shame in accepting a handout.
It's comical how you guys fabricate details to support your biases.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:04pm PT
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Well, what am I missing? How is this some big failure?
You still sound like a big baby, picking at nits.
Waaaaaah!
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:04pm PT
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obamacare has made people so happy..
they can get themselves fixed..
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him,
better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
100% cragman
edit:
It's comical how you guys fabricate details to support your biases.
these are the guys who give the taco a shitty name..
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:07pm PT
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Oh, ok.
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:11pm PT
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did you say "bias", Sketch?
as if YOU were not opposed to the healthcare law from day one?
are you so damn naive and childish that you expected everything to go perfect?
let's hear you talk about the millions of Americans who now have healthcare for the
first time in their lives
I would bet damn near anything that you have not even read a brief summary of the ACA
you are factually ignorant in addition to being a horse's ass to tens of millions of Americans
you "oppose" purely because you lack the intellect to either read or understand the ACA
why part of taking "personal responsibility" can't you comprehend?
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:11pm PT
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The coy koi'd himself; what an ornamental bastard he is!!
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John M
climber
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:13pm PT
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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him,
better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
100% cragman
false interpretation.. the government isn't "taking care" of people. Doctors are doing the care taking. All that obamacare is doing is overseeing and assuring that everybody gets healthcare. Obamacare could certainly have been better. They could have made it better by taking out the middleman of health insurance and making it single payer, thus saving all those profits that go now to insurance companies. But.. we didn't… because the insurance companies have a lot of money and some people foolishly believe that that makes them right. Its the american way aint it.. to skim every dollar that you can out of others.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:18pm PT
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Let them die.
Better that, than sketch having to wait a couple of extra weeks to receive his credit.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:20pm PT
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Obama is a Muslim!
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:23pm PT
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I've been pay'n for medical insurance since 1996...
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John M
climber
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:33pm PT
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that isn't the point Pyro..
I paid for insurance since I was 24 and off my dads insurance. But then I developed some serious health problems and could no longer get health insurance. Millions of other people had the same problems. Or were too poor to get insurance because they couldn't team up with a bunch of other people to create a large enough fund to make is cost effective.
Now we work together to make certain that everyone gets insurance. Everyone pays, except those that can't afford it, but everyone gets it.
I'm sorry that you have a problem with that.
Some day Pyro, you may end up with a serious health problem. If you aren't wealthy by then, then you will be glad that you can still get affordable health insurance.
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peladob
Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:39pm PT
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I will say that as a doc I have seen a few premiums go up, but otherwise have not seen the massive run of impoverished families or bankrupt businesses that the Glenn Beck zealots warned of.
That said, if BHO is going to stuff legislation through this way (scare everybody into passing a pork filled POS bill like this....you know, kinda like how that patriot act business got thru), we the people better be ready for a worse POTUS to shove worse BS down our throats.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:48pm PT
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Are you guys aware that until the watered-down version of health care (thanks to the Republicans) was passed by Obama, the U.S. was the only nation in the civilized world that DIDN'T have taxpayer-paid universal health?
Our health care system is far from perfect, but NO ONE in Canada has ended up hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt because the were inconsiderate enough to get sick.
Universal health care is merely another term for common decency.
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