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Stewart Johnson
climber
lake forest
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Apr 30, 2013 - 09:51am PT
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Men at work vs men at play...
How about some really bad weather for the teams
on Everest now just to put it in perspective!
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Ben Harland
Gym climber
Kenora, ON
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Apr 30, 2013 - 10:23am PT
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UKC News has posted a letter from Jon Griffith
http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=68025
Dear UKC,
We, at Base Camp, have been following the posts made and thank you for your restraint. I realise that it is a one sided argument but this is a very complicated situation. As people have mentioned the Sherpas have a long history of very kind, hard working, pacifists. It is my first time to Nepal but Ueli and Simone have been here for many years. Ueli for example climbed Everest last year with Sherpa Tenji as a climbing partner not as a Sherpa. Sherpa Tenji was booted out from a commercial expedition last year, as it was decided that he wasn't needed, and Ueli offered to climb together with him as Tenji's aim had always been to summit Everest without oxygen. I am also glad to say that Sherpa Tenji was part of our team this year. Simone has done 43 trips to Nepal and his relationship with Sherpas stretches way back. If you talk to Sherpas at Base Camp they having nothing but good things to say about him. He has a rescue helicopter out here and even offers free rescue service to all Sherpas and Porters on the mountain. So I think both Ueli and Simone have a long history of respect and friendship with the Sherpas.
The Press Release is, hand on heart, exactly what happened on the day. I wrote it. But as many have noted the reaction was not because of our actions but because of a deeper rooted problem. I realise that when you see the reaction from the Sherpas that it is natural to think that we did something terrible that we are not saying, but honestly this was not the case. The only reason given from the lead Sherpa was that we knocked ice down but I honestly cannot imagine this happened, the fact that no Sherpa has come forward with any injuries does back us up some what. I accept that our presence on the mountain may have stressed the Sherpas out but statements that we were told not to climb that day are total fabrications. We were asked by a IMG guide to not clip in to the ropes and naturally we did not do so. We kept far away from them when ascending - the Lhotse Face is immense. Please understand that any anonymous eyewitness reports from Camp 2 are ludicrous. The fact that they are anonymous and most importantly that Camp 2 is located miles away from the Lhotse Face makes any 'eyewitness' report a bit unrealistic (I'm a photographer and even my most powerful lenses wouldn't let me see that well). The fact that this anonymous source said we then walked back through Camp is proof of the lies as there was no chance we walked back through Camp. We were shitting ourselves, the idea of walking through Camp was suicidal. We tracked straight over towards Nuptse and headed down an unbelievably crevassed glacier with no tracks and no ropes. At times we were crawling. As dangerous as this was it actually seemed like a haven of safety compared to Camp 2.
I understand that we will all come out of this looking bad. It is natural. But in the end everyone looks bad from this incident. The few bad apples reflect very badly on the Sherpa community and they are very aware of this. The ring leaders are actually about 30 metres away from our camp. There are no police here. But we feel safe because the whole Nepalese Community at Base Camp are outraged by what happened and are acting as the local police. However this is a hugely delicate and complicated problem. We had a ceremony yesterday where we all talked publicly about what happened and that the reaction we incurred from the Sherpas was something that the Commercial Teams and the Everest Community as a whole had to deal with. It was not entirely due to our actions. We were the tip of the iceberg and we have talked with the ring leader about this. As such we are not taking legal action but leaving it in the hands of the community to find a suitable 'disciplinary action' (as they call it). They see this as a very major underlying problem and something that has to be dealt with before it happens again. Simply throwing them in jail will cause a riot, it is important to find the right balance where the Sherpas are able to voice their problems and concerns to the community and the old 'respect' between client and Sherpa and vice versa is re-established. For the moment the Sherpas feel used and that they are not treated with respect by their Western clients.
For us our trip is over. The Nepalese were hoping we would all shake hands and continue with our trip and this will all be swept under the carpet. We didn't really see this as reality. It was the most harrowing experience of our lives and there is no way we feel safe up the mountain anymore. Ueli is a man I have known and climbed with for many years. I have never seen him like this before, and this is a man who doesn't live life in the safety zone. He has lost all trust in the Sherpa community and has barely slept since the incident. I can see in him that part of him has been destroyed and will take a long time to heal.
As a final comment. A very influential character (sorry no names right now) has asked the Ministry of Tourism to have written on every permit that climbers are not allowed to climb before the fixing team. If this happens it means the only way you can climb Everest is by climbing in a nice big track and on fixed lines with tons of people. It also means that any teams who want to climb something (in alpine style) apart from the Normal Route will not be able to acclimatise in advance before their ascent. It is insane, but it shows the attitude towards this mountain.
If any of the above is a bit confusing then please realise that things are pretty manic right now. I've slept very little in the last few days. But I felt it was important to write and answer some of the questions raised by your comments.
Jon Griffith
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 30, 2013 - 10:47am PT
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From
Uli said that he was confronted by the mob and was immediately hit in the head by a fist followed by a rock to the head. Melissa pushed Uli into the kitchen tent to protect him from the mob. The Sherpa men would not hit a woman so she was the buffer of protection from the very angry mob. Since it was too hard to figure out what was happening to Simone and Jonathan, Melissa sent a Sherpa from Simone's camp to get he and Jonathan from the glacier. They were secretly ushered into the same kitchen tent as Uli and buffered from the mob by Melissa and the head of Camp 2 for IMG. The men promised that if Simone came out on his knees and begged for forgiveness he would not be hurt. Simone tried to get out of the tent on his knees when he was beaten and forced back inside. Awhile later Melissa asked Simone to get back on his knees outside the tent and ask for forgiveness again. She had been assured by the instigaters that he would not be hurt. So Simone got on his knees to ask for forgiveness and was kicked under the chin, someone tried to stab him with a pen knife, but fortunately the knife hit him in the padded belt of his backpack.
Marty Schmidt recalled when I talked with him at Camp 2 that he saw a man getting ready to bring a large rock down on Simone's head to kill him. Marty grabbed the rock and the mans arm and shouted “no, no violence.” For his intervention he received a rock to the head himself. Marty was still wearing the bandage on his head when I spoke with him.
Wow. Pieces of sh#t those people...
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Deekaid
climber
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Apr 30, 2013 - 11:14am PT
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Man, pretty psycho! Sounds like Uli has a bit of PTSD. My own borderline APD wouldn't allow me to rest either. Revenge would be my lifes' work. Served very cold.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 30, 2013 - 11:25am PT
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Looks like gun packing shall be next for the big E!
Sleds Over Everest team packed 15 shotguns and a few machine guys for that reason. Dealing with angry mobs and eating lobsters. Life is good!
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Apr 30, 2013 - 11:39am PT
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Hey Vitaliy: throwing this fat on the fire isn't going to do anything to calm the situation. Probably too many lobsters up there is part of the problem.
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orle
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2013 - 11:55am PT
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I want to change this thread's title to: "Too many lobsters up there"
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2013 - 11:55am PT
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It's a "False Flag" to get your ropes, crampons, ladders and ice axes.
Glen Beck and Alex Jones will soon appear to tell you how this event went about ......
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Apr 30, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
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This is worse than Peru. Although Aconcagua is apparently also a tourist scene.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 30, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
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I hope the Nepalis have another way to make a decent living, because they've just killed their climbing income stream.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 30, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
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This whole debacle makes me sad.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 30, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
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This whole debacle makes me sad.
I bet Sir Edmund is even sadder.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 30, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
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Alex Jones will soon appear to tell you how this event went about ......
It was part of New World Order's plan to prevent Sleds Over Everest to reach the peak. SOE don't care.
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neversummer
climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
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Apr 30, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
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Yaks and lobster is the only way to roll....
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 30, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
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Truth be told, an insufficient number of lobsters is actually what led to the whole conflict.
Too many lobsters for the westerners, not enough lobster for Sherpas. It's an old problem that they're getting "fed" up with.
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orle
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
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FACT: Lobsters have blue blood. Snails do too, but there's no lack of them up there.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 30, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
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Climbig shouldn't be considered 'work'.
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