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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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..but no different than I would in South Central LA.
I've spent quite a bit of time working in the streets in South Central Los Angeles. Met lots of nice folks there, living in tidy well kept neighborhoods. Your stereotypes are often off base, Ron. Maybe you shouldn't be living in Bumf*#k Egypt, Nevada. It might open your mind to get out into the real world.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Has Luke Stong been seen in Peru?
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caughtinside
Social climber
Oakland, CA
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Ahhahahaha... yes, I'm still laughing. Backstabber POS gets Karmic lesson at the end of a knife. Life is good (and sometimes fair), thanks for checking in ;).
That must feel good.
I must confess the word Karma popped into my head when but a month after you posted on the taco how when you hear someone died soloing, you hoped it was me, you proceeded to rap off your rope and break your back... while drunk.
Hope you get out of the body cast soon.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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maybe it was a bunch of rock throwing howler monkeys,
but how could you tell the difference?
not by the smell, thats fo sizzle my bizzle,
no wait, monkeys have teeth,
maybe those savages never seen a white man before, best to put on some shoe polish and grow a mustache,
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jenny: We are not flashy people and we had just come from a four-day backpacking trip. We were basically in jeans and hiking boots. The truck that Meghan and Jed drive is a 1998 Tacoma with many dents, holes, and a lot of rust. Not something you would typically look at and translate into wealth.
Wow. They're from Jackson Hole, too?
These sound like the kind of people who would get their asses kicked just about anywhere.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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OK, the dude's teeth got knocked out; $10K for quality implants.
The woman didn't get raped; she should consider herself lucky.
The truck got dinged; BFD. You got schooled so let Daddy pay for yer
schooling, like he probably already did. You weren't on a bus in India.
Move on like big first world kiddies and buy yer own damn iPhone.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Oakland, CA
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No, don't have much else for you Jebus. Amusing watching you post all sorts of travel advice based on your lifetime one month out of the country... which you spent entirely in Potrero Chico.
Good luck with rehab.
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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My experience says;
Don't travel/drive at night.
Do your homework, ie, know the villages/roads/political micro-climate of your route and over-nights.
Hire a guide.
Rent a car/truck there. Take public transportation.
Don't travel with your electronics/computers/whatever. Small digital to record your trips are easily kept out of sight while in towns ect..
Don't drink in public, except in a cafe /restaurant.
Don't be naive."Joseph and Meghan have been driving for nine months from the United States through Central and South America, camping almost every night in their truck camper and have not yet experienced any violence or danger until this situation which occurred" It takes just one village idiot, on one bad night, to ruin your trip.
Always carry copies of your docs, never hand over the originals.
Always have the contact info for your Government representatives plugged into a LOCALLY RENTED phone with plenty of time on it.
Always remember, you are not in Kansas anymore. Not even in the first world. You are a long way from anywhere and must be ever vigilant and very low key.
And on and on....Even then, bad things happen to good people. These kind of things happen all over the third world. There were a lot of mitigating factors at work here; including plain bad luck. I feel for these folks. My observations are based on 12 years of travel to South America and specifically to Peru around Cuzco and up north around Huaraz and the Andes. Including a drive from Veracruz, Mexico to Panama City, Panama in Jan, 1983, during and through at least 3 shooting wars in Central America. My experience has been always been uniformly positive in dealing with locals, Quechua, and Campesinos. My heart goes out to these very unfortunate folks.
TY
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John M
climber
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Thanks Tony.. I appreciate your perspective.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Hopefully the Policia mow down everyone in that entire area with machine guns. You can't fuk with US citizens like that, even if they come to your village/hood uninvited. We have rights gawd damn it!
I wonder if (brown) foreigners wouldn't get similar treatment if they pulled down a dirt road leading to a small village in Alabama or Aridzona and started doing their thing as if they were right at home.
I've always tried to follow basically what TYeary said. I find it a pain in the ass, so I don't travel as much as others. But when I hear about this kind of stuff, I'm not too surprised. Hell, we had our window broken in, covered with glass, and tear gassed by the CRS in France of all places. If the guy driving hadn't flown across the earthen divider and hightailed it out of there, almost hitting some of the crowd, things could have been much worse.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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So much bickering and arguing.
People are strange and at times mean everywhere you go.
This one time, I watched a Tico smoke crack and then go into his one room apartment and start jerking off.
I wasn't smoking crack and bailed immediately.
Sometimes things in other countries are too strange and different to comprehend.
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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I wonder if (brown) foreigners wouldn't get similar treatment if they pulled down a dirt road leading to a small village in Alabama or Aridzona and started doing their thing as if they were right at home.
in Aridzona it would be much worse but it would be "brown" people doing the hitting and kicking.
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Brian
climber
California
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I guess my question is: Why didn't the US Consulate get them to the US Embassy ASAP?
Having spent a good deal of time abroad, and having been in contact with US consular officials in various developing nations, I would seriously consider running for the Canadian or UK embassy in a crisis in hopes they'd cover me...
Apologies to all the US State Department officials out there who are, no doubt, doing a good job. I've just had some bad experience....
Brian
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neverwas
Mountain climber
ak
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Just an unrelated anecdote, but a buddy and I were confronted by an angry bunch of villagers in Ecuador after a several day outing to climb the Sangay volcano in the late 70's. My understanding is that there was talk of creating a national park or the like in the area, and they probably viewed us as part of that movement to limit use or access to their land. No violence occurred, no comparison to this event, but it was scary and we were relieved to climb onto the bus and get away from there.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Hmm, the thread title says help climbers.
I haven't seen anything climby related in all this.
Not that it really matters much, just sorta curious.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Always have the contact info for your Government representatives plugged into a LOCALLY RENTED phone with plenty of time on it.
Over the top. Your head is so far in the sand over this.
I have some similar travel advice to those considering visiting a sewer: Wear rubber boots, waders and a mask - and no matter what everyone says, don't eat the chocolate covered truffles.
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John M
climber
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the tone of this official travel advice makes me want to stay the f out of peru
From your link..
Around 56,000 British tourists visit Peru every year. Most visits are trouble free. Fifty British nationals required consular assistance in Peru in the period April 2011 - March 2012, including for three deaths, 11 hospitalisations and 17 arrests.
I wonder what the statistics are for 56000 Britains in England.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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neverwas - Ecuador did create a park around the Sangay volcano. This was one of my first trips to South America, about 20 years ago. After getting guided up cotopaxi, I asked a backpacker travel guide where to go to get away from the tourists, and she put me on a plane to Macas, the town near to Sangay, populated by the Shuar, traditional headhunters. When I arrived I immediately met some guys who said they were on a UNESCO mission and invited me to come along. The deal was, I paid for their gas and they let me ride in the back of their pickup truck and gave me a fun tour.
My spanish was not good at the time, and it took a few days before I understood our mission. We would hike into the Sangay park (technically a tiger preserve, paid for by the UN, who pays the govt not to develop it) and follow reports of settlements, then tell the colonists they had to leave. People just go into the jungle there, plant corn and start homesteading. The Ecuadorans had to kick the colonists out to keep the UN money flowing.
Several years later, I returned to Ecuador and found that my friend from UNESCO had taken a job with an oil company, and his job was public relations with the locals. I was seriously disappointed in him.
Sangay itself is a perfect cone of a volcano, but doesnt get climbed much because it's extremely active. Normally covered in glaciers, but you can see pictures of when it erupts and all the ice melts off. Another thing to know, is that hardly anyone there speaks Spanish (they speak Shaur, Achaur, Quecha etc) so you really do need a guide.
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John M
climber
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Over the top. Your head is so far in the sand over this.
Whats your problem? Tony is a decent person. You don't have to attack everyone just because the tone of this thread has deteriorated.
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